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  1. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

    Jun 25, 2006
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    This is a big question for them.
    They will highlight the excellent work of the engine engineers to sell it.
     
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  2. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

    Feb 16, 2011
    8,435
    Bournemouth, UK
    Usually fchat waits for a new Ferrari to be released first and then start with all the doom saying. It seems that now conjecture is good enough to start the doom saying...
     
  3. U-Boat Commander

    U-Boat Commander Formula 3
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    That's because in the past you knew it would be the same, but a little bit better.

    Now, the future is relatively unknown.

    Lack of knowledge breeds uncertainty and fear.
     
  4. khal360

    khal360 Formula Junior

    Feb 17, 2005
    299
    I’m holding onto my 812gts with both hands and feet. You can keep the batteries and iPad dashboards. No thank you.
     
  5. Solid State

    Solid State F1 World Champ
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    ..or less.
     
  6. GameMaker

    GameMaker Formula Junior
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    Apr 17, 2014
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    The new electronics just are really not IMHO competently executed and have a huge impact on the overall quality of the new cars. Ferrari are not software experts in terms of user interface. As a professional software developer a bad user interface like that is really noticeable and annoying. This is part of the reason I put down a deposit on a Portofino M last year, to grab another new car with the old kind of analog setup. Also love it has an either gear which the superfast could really use.

    I'm also frankly not interested in hybrid. A small V-12 with electric motors is a nah dawg to me. 296/SF90 are cars I'm just not interested in owning. At this point a C8 Z06 is likely to make me happier as it's a similar setup to a speciale.
     
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  7. john Owen

    john Owen Formula Junior

    Dec 27, 2018
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    Great choice on the Portrofino M. Very underrated Ferrari which is fantastic to drive and the best interior of the new model Ferraris.
     
  8. 350MH83

    350MH83 Formula 3

    Jul 11, 2014
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    Nobody ever complained that the LaFerrari was a hybrid, so Im sure (most) people wont care if the 812 replacement comes with a hybrid system as well...
     
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  9. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula 3

    Oct 29, 2016
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    Nail. head.
     
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  10. 9nb

    9nb Formula Junior

    Sep 1, 2012
    700
    Not until the owners had to replace those batteries ..


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  11. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula 3

    Dec 2, 2011
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    it will be funny if cost of replacement of battery will be half of 812 successor price :D :D :D :D
     
  12. 350MH83

    350MH83 Formula 3

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    Right, but it has not really affected the desirability of the LaF. And no complain on weight, perf, soul, sound, etc.
     
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  13. 9nb

    9nb Formula Junior

    Sep 1, 2012
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    There has been complaint of weight, though the SP3 proved that even without the hybrid components the car would still be relatively heavy. What the LaF and SP3 should’ve been are the GMA T.50 and T.33, revolutionary through the art of lightweight, but that’s my opinion.

    The 812 successor could be heavy, it’s a sporting grand tourer, but the complexity of it’s powertrain could be an issue in the long run. Think of the out of engine services of the 355s, hugely desirably cars but you wouldn’t want to buy one before it’s needs that service.


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  14. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

    Oct 1, 2004
    3,567
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    The LaF 'KERS' system is quite different, it cannot operate the car in 'electric only', it was designed for boost (like an F1 car) not for emissions regulations. That means the current hybrid systems are much heavier due to larger battery to provide "25 miles" of electric only driving range.

    Is there any LaF owner that is happy with the KERS system? It is very expensive to maintain and they all need it now, somewhere around $300,000 to keep it running for most if they cannot find a way to get it covered under warranty (battery, inverter, labor).

    If SF90/296/etc require large expenses every 5-10 years to keep the car running it will impact ownership and be a hindrance. Time will tell but the LaF provides a sample of what could be...
     
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  15. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

    Feb 16, 2011
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    Personally, I don't find the GMA cars enticing. The Valkyrie on the other hand... now that's a game changer!
     
  16. 430jm

    430jm Formula Junior

    Jun 11, 2017
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    I understand the LaF’s have had quite a few significant problems. The value there lies in the rarity and beauty. But we are talking regular production V12; these are now classics.
     
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  17. RamsHmb

    RamsHmb Formula 3
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    I get progress and I can live w hybrid and NAv12 even though I would prefer a non assisted v12. This may sound silly but the one thing I desperately wish they would bring back is the analog tach. I can live with screens too but the tach should be a real thing and Ferrari tach’s of late are a thing of beauty. Comparing the feel and emotion of looking at my GTS tach versus my digital Roma one is night and day. Come on Ferrari….bring it back!
     
  18. F2003-GA

    F2003-GA F1 World Champ
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    Porsche 911 kept the analog tach So should Ferrari
     
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  19. italiafan

    italiafan F1 World Champ
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    I see no reason why you can’t have real gauges and a central infotainment screen for other crap.
     
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  20. Solid State

    Solid State F1 World Champ
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    Do a search..
     
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  21. jumpinjohn

    jumpinjohn F1 Veteran
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    People complain about everything…

    ;)


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  22. _Alex

    _Alex Formula Junior

    Dec 24, 2017
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    I find this statement offensive and would like to complain
     
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  23. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula 3

    Oct 29, 2016
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    True, but the LaF is already is a decade old. Quite a few things have changed during that time….
     
  24. Maximus1973

    Maximus1973 Formula 3

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    On paper… and a 4x the price hyper car
     
  25. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

    Jun 25, 2006
    2,589
    Honestly, when you "love to drive", I don't see how you can't love the T33.
    Personally, if I could afford it, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
    I would have loved that the F 167 was made like a T33...
    But hey, not possible because 80% of Ferrari customers wouldn't know how to use it.
     
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