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How offensive are special edition clone body kits?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Golden Steed, Dec 21, 2021.

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How offensive are special edition clone kits?

  1. They are sold to poseurs to create a false impression

    25 vote(s)
    39.7%
  2. There's nothing wrong as long as owners don't pretend otherwise

    16 vote(s)
    25.4%
  3. Maybe some cloners are up front, but most I've seen were frauds

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  4. They are homages to the actual special edition

    2 vote(s)
    3.2%
  5. If someone likes the special edition so much, then they should pony up

    8 vote(s)
    12.7%
  6. Clone kits bastardize an original car that has its own merits

    11 vote(s)
    17.5%
  7. An owner should be able to do whatever they want

    26 vote(s)
    41.3%
  8. Clones get "look-alikes" on the road, that would otherwise not be seen

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  9. Other (post to clarify) ...

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
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  1. paulchua

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    #101 paulchua, Jan 31, 2022
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    You missed something:
    It's cool if you changed your mind, nothing wrong with that. I change my mind all the time:
    If so, I'm glad you now see it our way.

    If not, all good as well. We totally agree that folks should do whatever they want to their cars as long as it makes them first and foremost happy (baring safety.) Doesn't change in your own poll, that the #1 winner is folks here who think there are poseurs (^remind you this is the word used in the poll^), which sort of defeats the purpose of 'cloning' cars with physical appearance as the main driver.

    Finally, I know you don't like my responses. I simply remind you this was your "push" poll. You don't roll into somebody's house, ask for their opinion on something, then get mad they don't agree with your taste.
     
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  2. Golden Steed

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    A few things.

    1) It's not my poll. The moderator ylshih posted the poll. The options were entirely his.

    2) For most of the poll's life, the #1 winner was owners doing what they want. So it could swing back.

    3) There is no "right" or "wrong" opinion. Most people's view seems to be nuanced and are far less judgemental than yours.

    You feel vindicated by the poll. Good for you. But my position still stands. I think cloning is good for special editions because it preserves them. You disagree and that's fine. I don't come from a place of wanting to call people car snobs and all that. If calling people poseurs makes you feel good about yourself, as I said before, that is on you.

    In the end, enough people see it my way that I feel comfortable that if I decide to go in that direction that it won't cause some large controversy. Those who are offended do not speak for the community as a whole.
     
  3. paulchua

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    Take a Birkin bag.
    Most folks couldn't tell the difference between it and a Micheal Kors $99 special.
    Someone who buys a forged Birkin would only be flossing to folks who recognize it. The same cohort that would know it's fake.
    So why do it in the first place?

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    The above is a "sports car" to 90% of the public
    The other 10% that would know says, poseur.

    Hey, you do you. You like what you see above, that's all that matters man, but don't forget, you came here and asked us, not the other way around.
     
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    I think honestly instead of the kits to make a standard GTB look like a Pista. I'd much rather use that money and buy something like a 1016 Industries kit or Novitec kit or some other aftermarket kit and do that. It would give the car its own character but would also make it stand out in its own way among other GTBs. Possibly no paint matching either atleast with the 1016 kit because it's just bolt ons. Won't really hurt resale either as you can remove the kit and sell it separately and you have retained a stock GTB.

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  5. paulchua

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    #105 paulchua, Jan 31, 2022
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    Oh yes, I think many folks here not only agreed cosmetic adjustments are the prerogative of the owner but expressed support. Personal tastes are just that - personal. No wrong or right. I believe the discussion on that had no debate.

    Our friend @Golden Steed likes clone cars. Which is a different beast altogether.

    I've personally said many times all that matters is how the owner feels. What we think is of no consequence, that's why I find it so odd the OP seems to be upset about what we think, going as far as creating a poll, then being upset at the results of his own survey.

    I also made the caveat that children, folks in 3rd world countries, and folks that do it as a joke have nothing but the utmost respect, but when I asked his age, he was upset yet again.
     

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    #106 paulchua, Jan 31, 2022
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    @Golden Steed I admit, all the examples of 'clone' Ferrari I have witnessed have left a lot to be desired. Perhaps there is a particular example you have in mind? The ones that fooled me initially had substantial amounts invested in them, which made me wonder if saving money was the primary objective, wouldn't it make sense to just buy the real thing since it would depreciate far less than a kit car? (in both my cases, actually APPRECIATED.) Put another way, buying the real thing made me money, whereas if I went the kit car route, I would have lost my hat (not to mention my pride.)

    All the kit cars I've seen witnessed eventually sold pennies on the dollar on what was invested in time and money.
     

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  7. Golden Steed

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    It finally hit me: you're a dishonest person.

    At every point in here, you've intentionally misrepresented what I've said to create this straw man argument about homemade cardboard Ferrari builds.

    I've never even discussed them anywhere in this thread. I've only talked about aftermarket modifications to actual Ferrari models.

    I dunno why you're so butt hurt over this that you have to lie about it. It's really not that serious. It was meant to be a friendly discussion. But you took it all so personally. Now you're just making things up and claiming that I said them.

    If you're that small that you gotta call people names and lie about what they've said (when anyone can go back and SEE YOU LYING) then you've got some pretty serious issues beyond this car discussion.
     
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    #108 paulchua, Feb 1, 2022
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    You do realize the internet is forever?

    Again, why so mad? We all see you like clones, I've said time and again, more power to you. I don't understand why you're trying to force *us* to share your taste in cars. You like driving cars like this, no skin off my back.

    You don't have to convince us the car below is great, you only need to convince yourself. In life, worrying about what real Ferrari owners think is a recipe for misery.

    All that matters is you like it. I'm happy for you!
     
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    #109 paulchua, Feb 1, 2022
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    @Golden Steed

    You might go back and argue again what your saying is making a 360 a Challenge, a 430 a Scud, a 458 and speciale, or a 488 into a Pista, sure - Nobody here takes issue with that. It's your car, your money, your time, your prerogative.

    Again, I simply state that every execution I've seen of this, I've been able to tell. So I repeat, for folks that would even care between say a 488 and Pista, it defeats the whole purpose right?

    Besdies, what we think shouldn't matter to you, just because the majority of people here think you're a poseur, don't let that bother you. Just do you, my man.

    I'm sorry your poll didn't go the way you thought it would but consider this, I argue one should always appreciate HONESTY over falseness. Put another way, I would always drive a real Mondial any day of the week, then a fake Pista.

    I guess that is an area we can agree to disagree on. I hope you're still not mad, no hard feelings.
     
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    This.

    If someone can’t take pride in a regular 488 or 911 or whatever, they’re overly dependent on a car to bolster their self-image.

    And… the car always requires a footnote to explain that it’s not the real deal.


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  11. Golden Steed

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    More dishonesty.

    I just don't get this crusade.

    Cloning a 599 GTO or a 488 Pista by putting an after market kit on them is not the same as building a cardboard Ferrari on your garage.

    And I've said that. Multiple times. In this thread.

    But you're a dishonest person, hell bent it seems, on intentionally misrepresenting what I've said.

    Some people think cloning is bad. Some think it's good. Others don't care. It's a spectrum. You, for whatever reason, can't accept that diversity of thought. And again, that's on you.

    You may now resume your petty lying and childish name calling.
     
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    Let me put it this way. Porsche would not beable to play their GT3 ADM game if it wasn't for overly fragile egos. Some are so insecure that they can't sleep unless they know they are top dog or have the latest and greatest first.

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    #113 paulchua, Feb 2, 2022
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    You asked our opinions, we gave them. But you keep charging I'm dishonest and name-calling.

    1) Name-calling? It says poseur in your own poll. (Among other things) - I didn't create the poll. Where did I call you a name?

    2) Dishonesty? Do you not see the irony that I'm defending keeping cars 'real' and you're defending making them 'fake'?

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    Yes, it is a spectrum between cardboard Ferrari and up-modeling - most voted it's in bad taste in your own poll. You asked, and are still mad at me and the community for calling it out.
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    It's not like I'm saying we should create a law that makes this illegal, I am saying it makes you look silly to the enthusiasts. But even then, I said it shouldn't matter - all that matters is if you like it.

    Do you like what you see below? Good for you! I don't know why you keep on trying to convince us it's good.
     

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    I know right?
     
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    Totally agree my man.
    Check out this "Ferrari"
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  16. Golden Steed

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    LOL.

    The fact that you keep accusing me of posting the poll, when you've been told that a moderator did, shows how dishonest you are.

    The fact that you keep accusing me of defending cardboard garage builds when I've done no such thing shows how dishonest you are.

    Any grown man who feels the need to call someone names to make themselves feel better is indeed childish.

    I started this thread gauge opinion and share my perspective. You came into this thread on a crusade/witch hunt.

    You were so butt hurt over my position that you stalked around the forum for my old posts.

    Nobody cares about this more than you, so much so that you're name dropping me in replies to other people.

    Let it go already. It's not so serious that you've got to make things up, stalk me around the board and get all in your feelings about what you think I'm trying to "convince" you of when I couldn't give a damn about what you think about anything.

    Let.

    It.

    Go.
     
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  17. paulchua

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    Yet, here you are.
     

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    You're not the only one. It's called up-badging in the car culture. @Golden Steed is upset that we don't see it his way though. I respect his right to be a proponent of clones or kit cars or mods to mimic the look of a higher-end sibling.

    I just don't understand why he's calling me a liar or insulting him for simply restating the facts: That the overwhelming majority of folks believe it is in very poor taste.

    He asked us, we answered, again not my fault folks here don't like fake cars.
     
  23. paulchua

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    Careful, this is not what the OP wants to hear.
     
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    Well said! This is exactly what I've been trying to convey. Who cares what we think? If @Golden Steed likes any car, what does it matter what anybody thinks? Yes, most people here voted he's a poseur, but so what? He shouldn't worry about his poll, the results shouldn't ever affect what he loves.

    All that matters is if he truly adores fake cars, what we care about is pointless. End of the story.
     
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    What you described is exactly my experience as well. Repeating it to @Golden Steed made me a liar and insulting.
     

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