The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

Doesn't change the fact FerrariChat didn't even think of banning Glickenhaus when he was threatening to sue people.

 

China Ag. And yes, he did personal attacks. I don't care. FerrariChat was a different place then.

But what happened here with Steve is different. The Scooby Do character was trolling him. Maybe Steve shouldn't have popped off, but maybe Scooby shouldn't have been trolling him.

I thought trolling was against the rules.

 

Just fixed that.

 

I did not try to put words in peoples mouths. So Jeff is not saying JG will sue then by saying this? Please, do tell what did he mean by his statement then? I am wiling to learn.

 

I am not self-describing myself as a "neophyte and purely ignorant fanboy" those were your words. Your insult as it were, you just did not have the guts to say it to me directly, instead you thought you were clever and applied it to a group, but anyone with half a brain knows what you were doing.

From what I can see, both you and Miura have passed the qualifications for a lawsuit if JG were to sue. If you have such an open and shut case that you just can't tell us about due to people want to remain in the shadows, why not have Miura be the torch bearer of such open and shut information? They guy loves the spotlight, is already in the hot seat legally, and he loves being the figure head, so why not just have him be be the man that lays it out there? He has already claimed Jim's belief is wrong and the car has absolutely zero chance of being what he says it is, so the claim has been made.

How long do you expect people to believe that there's this band of merry men who have cracked the Da Vinci code, but you can't not only tell us who they are, but what this case cracking information is that no one knows about but exists? The you gotta believe me man only is believable for so long.

You've literally been repeating this for years will zero to come out of it.

 

So I'm trolling him by asking questions that no one has had the answer to for years. LOL. As if Miura hasn't been trolling Jim across the internet for years. Sure buddy...

 

The character from Scooby Doo is Vincent Van Ghoul. Vangool is a different name all together. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you speak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Gool

Please tell me about the time I argued with Steve over a Lamborghini and he came out on top?

 

So I'm trolling by asking questions that have not been answered in years and pointing out that pictures from decades ago aren't exactly relevant to the car as it sits today? By your standards, I take it you are trolling then, as you are also still commenting on this thread.

 

Nobody OWES you anything and if they chose not to speak here that is solely their prerogative. IF you were serious about this, which is questionable, you would make your own efforts to privately engage with them. Of course, they could ignore you, which would be their right.

Wonder if what you are looking for as the only acceptable proof is a movie of some Ferrari worker cutting up the chassis of 0846 into little bits along with a signed affidavit from Jesus Christ attesting to how he watched that occur without ever turning his eyes away during the entire time. Maybe you also want the same for how those cut up bits got melted down.

I have trouble figuring you out since you must either be someone's shill or have an agenda that is beyond this vehicle.

 

IF you were sincere you would undertake your own research to answer the question.

 

I agree. Nobody owes me anything. No one has to say anything. But you also can't expect people to believe you either when you claim to have something you wont produce. The only affect of that claim without proof is the creation of more reasonable doubt.

 

Don't feed the troll. The ignore button is your friend.

 

As Rob said, this is all extraneous and unrelated fluff. If a user posting on this thread committed a felony, would you expect the DA to avoid charging him with that felony and further require the DA had to first to review the "DP003 story" because it would be unfair to remove his voice from this discussion? Hah! Absurd! miurasv blatantly violated a long standing rule and an EASY sanction was applied DESPITE his history. Some of you, and miurasv in particular (who has been making numerous reports against other users during this thread ban), are making me regret the decision to be lenient. miurasv's frustration at not being able to post is a result of HIS lack of foresight and HIS misbehavior and it does not constitute an emergency or justify an exceptional action (curtailing the ban) on MY part.

As for "trolling", it IS a cause for moderation. But only rarely is a charge of "trolling" valid for a single or handful of posts. It usually takes a pattern of posting over dozens or more posts and at least a few threads to become apparent or discernible. Simply disagreeing or bringing up old points is NOT trolling. Nor is someone calling you a "troll" a personal attack. It is certainly up front and confrontational, but it has been excluded as a "personal attack" for the very reason that it is an actionable charge here. You can't make "trolling" actionable, while also forbidding users from stating the charge ("you're trolling, stop it" or such like is quite common). It is also commonly charged (inappropriately) by users who aren't being trolled, but simply being disputed.

Not correct (one of many incorrect assumptions you've made recently). Our policy is that users are to take responsibility for their own posts. We don't decide if a threat of a lawsuit between users is valid or invalid. That's the function of courts of law and the purpose of civil litigation and the judicial process. We have had numerous users take umbrage at things other users posted and demand retraction or correction under threat of a lawsuit, but we let them hash it out. We don't consider a threat of lawsuit the same as a threat to meet another user at a venue to say the same thing someone just posted to their face. A lawsuit is one of the approved non-violent ways for our society to resolve disputes. Our position on these is consistently, "that is between the parties involved, it should be pursued in the appropriate venue (which is not Fchat), and we will respond to court orders if served."

 

Rhetorical, but why on earth don’t you apply the same standards to Glik? He promised a smoking gun several times over the years and the closest he came was posting the Mauro Forghieri letter (later recanted and in fact that expert has since said in writing Jim’s car is a fake). Outside of that JG repeatedly claimed to have proof and yet when he was asked to produce it he vanished like a fart in the wind to places on the internet his claims wouldn’t face scrutiny. Taking your failure to produce stance how can anyone believe JGs outrageous claim he’s got the real car - let alone come on this thread and attack folks who accept the reality is DP003 is not (in part or whole) ‘0846’? Ridiculous.

 

I'm going to give this one a rest. I'm concerned some of you might think I actually care, when I don't. Yes, Jim Glickenhaus pisses me royally, which is unusual for me. I don't hate many people. Life is way too short to let someone like him get under my skin. The good news is I believe in karma. The good guys always win in the end.

But, here's an ironic take on this thread. FerrariChat made its bones on 0846. Before 0846, the old Dinosaurs hated FerrariChat. They believed in Telaio, which was not anonymous. If you had an opinion, you needed to have the confidence to back it with your name. But over time, even the hardest of the hard core started posting on FerrariChat. Funny how life works.

 

Again. I have said repeatedly that I do not feel Glick has proven his case beyond reasonable doubt either. So I am applying the same standards.

 

So Texas Forever is your real name? Dig it.

 

Know the man to know the reference and you’ll see what’s real vs. pretend.

 

We prefer Prancing Dinosaurs - “When GTOs were 12 cylinders, Mondials were 4 cylinders and Testa Rossa was 2 words.”

The Telaio list pretty much died off when it moved to FChat from Yahoo Groups email format. That lead to the formation of the Ferrari Historians Group on Yahoo.

 

Would I get to know his real name?

I have to laugh at "Mr. Forever" he comes riding in here a noble white knight of confidence!!!! That was amazing. Then he gets knocked off his high horse with a big ball of hypocrisy as he does not use his real name. LMFAO. IMO, if you're gonna go on a rant about something, you should practice what you preach. If you don't, IMO, you lose all credibility.

Well done Mr. Forever.

 

You're just trolling other participants with posts like this and not debating any on-topic point. 7-day thread exclusion applied. Please be more amicable upon your return to this thread.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Well done Andrew