No, we reply to idiotic claims with facts (i.e. how the rules are written). There were several things happening in the final race it referred to. With rule 15.2 becoming quite clear and just how much power Masi had, (i.e. I gathered more information on the matter), my opinion on his actions shifted somewhat. You are equally as hilarious if not more hilarious for letting all the **** slide all season long but only now getting upset about it. I've said it before and I'll say it again; if Masi goes it HAS to be for several reasons, not because Lewis and his fanboys are in a strop. I'll say the following AGAIN as well, unless the replacement is someone well respected like Eduardo Freitas, F1 is better of having a deputy race director like Charlie Whiting had, alongside Masi.
But Lewis hasnt said any thing about it yet? he has been silent on it since the race after congratualting MV and Redbull..... So how has LH done any thing? you making things up??? Dont you mean the 7 teams all complaining, and the all the others drivers saying Masi made a mistake with sponsors also showing discontent at what happened? When teams, Fans, Drivers and sponsors show discontent, it normaly means some thing bad has happened.
What was funny, at the time Whiting's inability to recall a penalty Kimi received for all 4 lines (same as Lewis) just 2 years prior...and received a penalty for it
As I have previously offered an experienced opinion as to why Hamilton could not defend against Max in the last lap dash (regardless of how that situation was allowed to occur) I would like to offer information as to why Mercedes did not make a tactical error by not pitting Hamilton. Again let's for a moment ignore the whole FIA Masi controversy and focus exclusively on the decision Mercedes was faced with once the yellow flag came out. Also this is a technical dissertation and it in no way matters who the team or driver was. The goal is to eliminate the argument that Mercedes screwed up by not pitting Hamilton. Firstly, let's dispel any myth that Hamilton had anything more than one opportunity to pit. Fact is that when you factor in the natural compression of the field when the pace car comes out, pitting under yellow can only be advantageous at the instant the yellow comes out and even then your position on track when that happens counts for a lot too. Waiting an additional lap is an enormous tactical loss that cannot be made up especially when there are a few laps left. Please accept that there is one chance only to pit. Second, any argument that Lewis on the radio admitted the team's 'mistake' is absurd. We have seen countless times where a driver questions something on the radio because it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to understand the full picture of what is going on around them. The team has the benefit of knowing what every other car is doing and what their relative position is. This is a job done by a team of people (not just one) and they are not driving an F1 car either! Drivers question teams all the time but the team will ALWAYS have more information from which to make a decision. Third, one thing that needs to be clear is that THE most important variable in the equation is maintaining TRACK POSITION. I cannot stress this enough. Even if both Hamilton and Max had new red tires a one or two lap dash gives the leading car the advantage and it would be foolish to forfeit that. Before anyone jumps in and says 'well if Lewis had the advantage with track position...' I will qualify my statement by saying that fresh tires trumps that by an enormous margin. However on equal or near equal tires track position is what you want to protect at all costs. Proof of this comes in that Red Bull chose to pit gambling on the race director getting lapped cars out of the way. If track position was not critical, Red Bull would have stayed out as their tires were considerably newer than Lewis' and not stopping would have guaranteed Max being right behind if they went green regardless of what decision the race director took. Fourth, Red Bull had the huge advantage (rightfully earned by staying within range) to be able to react to whatever Mercedes did. They had nothing to loose and had the luxury to tailor their strategy to what their competitor was doing. Again going back to the first point, there was only ONE CHANCE to make this decision for both teams but Red Bull tactically held all the cards. Putting everything together, Mercedes did not have enough of a lead in order to pit and come out with track position ahead of Max. There was not enough time to make the stop regardless of how good the tire change was. Please stop making the silly argument that Mercedes screwed up. They made the best decision of the available options regardless of what Masi and the FIA were going to do.
When the SC gets annouced, LH had already gone round turn 1 and was heading past the pit exit too, from the moment the crash happened, LH was just about to past pit entry. if it had happened 20 or so secs before, it could be argued Merc made a mistake. by the time LH got back around, the chance to pit was gone and had he pitted would have come out behind DR and stroll, maybe also Sainz, if the pit takes longer than 2.7 secs... which would have took him out of the race win, seeing as the cars in front of MV had been allowed to unlap, MV would have drove off unchallanged to the finish, While LH would have to wait behind DR and Stroll and maybe Sainz too, before being able to challange MV, who would already be gone
I am certainly not "coming back" for more of your prose, just to say that you are over-egging the pudding ! You made your point, now save you breath for the FIA Council meeting if you are invited.
The crash was on tv when Hamilton was in turn 12. If they that was going to be VSC, they need their heads checked. Ham's impulse was to come in, but the team told him no, and honestly that was the only hand they could play.
I read today that there is undisclosed FIA to RB radio transmissions that are being seriously looked at in which the answer given to MB was near repeat of FIA to RB. If so then it does cast an even darker shadow over the whole affair.
Couldnt agree more, if the dice is loaded against you then there is little you can do. It now transpires that MM had possibly been beaten into submission by RB - New radio messages are being investigated
LOL no it wasnt, Latifi was on turn 14 when he crashed the lap before LH, LW was approaching the first corner when he crashed, hench my if it happened 20 secs before comment......you do come out with some lies....
The whole F’ing sport has been ‘beaten into submission’ for the past ten years by Mercedes corruption. Sometimes getting out of a headlock isn’t pretty however it still needs to be done. F1 has broke the pattern of subservient to MB. It wasn’t pretty however it’s done. Bring on 2022.
Another rational post, thank you. In my view ... the point you're not emphasizing, however, is that Mercedes (like all teams) knew that the probability was VERY high that the race would end under green (again, this discussion has nothing to do with unlapping decisions made much later). The "green finish" was the highest probability, by far, for two reasons: the average safety car interval at Abu Dhabi (3.2 laps), and the pre-race agreement (quoted by the stewards) to end under green "if at all possible". So ... fully expecting a green finish, Mercedes had a choice: let Hamilton keep his track position on very old tires, and to try to defend against Max on fresh rubber .... OR, put fresh rubber on Hamilton and lose a track position. Given how easily Hamilton folded under the first hint of pressure from Max, it's pretty clear that the decision Mercedes made would not ... could not ... withstand even the first suggestion of a "race". Hamilton did know, full well, that he wouldn't stand a chance if the race ended under green (just as everyone was expecting). The team tried to console him, with something along the lines of "there's still chance that the race will end under yellow" ... but Hamilton already knew that he was doomed. Did Mercedes make a "bad call", given the knowledge ... and expectation ... in the moment? Given the full expectation of a green finish, it's damn hard to argue that they made the "right call"! EDIT: after more thought, i just don't buy your argument. Latifi crashed with 5.5 laps left, average safety car interval at Abu Dhabi was 3.2 laps. Given the agreement to end under green, the EXPECTATION at the moment pit-stops were decided would have been HIGH probability of AT LEAST one lap of green, if not 2 laps of green! Keeping Hamilton on old rubber for 2 laps of green, with Verstappen behind on fresh rubber ... was a MISTAKE. It would have been the better call to lose a track position, and let the 7-time world champ ... in an arguably superior car ... fight for the lead on fresh tires with one, or probably two, laps of racing. Hamilton knew it, too.
The technical and testing restrictions imposed on everyone for years had a detrimental effect on the chasing pack, however Honda did turn their engine around and ended up near equal or better the MB. MB did the better job in the first place so gained the advantage for a number of years, just like dominate teams in previous years, the recent decision still doesnt make it correct. I dont see how the FIA can come out of this intact, strip MV of his world title. That would be a huge call. Tony
Good points but the point you are missing is that had MM not succumbed to pressure and allowed the cars to unlap, the race would have / could have run its distance and ended under a yellow / SC.........to the rules. At the time - Right decision maybe!
You really are just full of face palm this morning, and have no idea what you're talking about. If I were you, I'd either apologize, or not say another word. Now, WHERE is Hamilton on the track here? Image Unavailable, Please Login
If Masi had not allowed the backmarkers to unlap, he'd have done something that had not been in years. And after Hamilton's little illegal free course cut, the SC not coming out when two cars were stranded and Toto begged Masi not to go full SC, it would've certainly looked to many that the race was manipulated to prevent Max from ever having a chance against Hamilton.
..But they should have, if it was me ahead of Ferrari i wouldn't show up again unless SEb was reinstated as teh winner, or i would forever paint in the car, Seb won the 2019 canadian gp!! Of course Seb won the race, Elton LOST Abu Dhabi!
The passage of time doesn't support your opinion. We're talking about the MOMENT when pit-stop decisions were made, just as the safety car was deployed. The teams must make a "prediction" based on history and probability. They don't have the luxury to see how things play out, and then jump in their time machine to make the 100% right call. At the moment the safety car came out, the EXPECTATION was at least one lap of green, with a high probability of 2 laps of green. All teams needed to make their pit decisions, based on this expectation and probability. Mercedes made the wrong call, given the info available to them in that moment.
Mercedes was left with the following scenarios: - Race finishes under yellow : not pitting maintains track position and guarantees the win - Race goes green for 1 lap with no wave by: not pitting maintains track position and has Max too far away to overtake. Pitting puts you too far back to catch Max - Race goes green for 2 laps with no wave by: not pitting maintains track position but it will be really close with Max on the 2nd lap. Pitting still has you too far back to overtake Max - Race goes green for 1 or 2 laps with wave by (initiated earlier and as per the rules): Not pitting makes you a sitting duck and pitting loses track position making a on track overtake in one or two laps required (again remembering that track position is critical when the tires are close to equal) All things considered especially taking into account what would likely happen with equal tires against Max who had the luxury of taking both cars out, Mercedes still made the right call. All of this is with the benefit of hindsight and lots and lots of time to consider the possibilities.
Never gonna happen. The FIA won't even rule against the stewards' decision, to reject Mercedes' protest.
