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  1. Nuvolari

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    No driver is infallible but if you need to look at something that happened in 2007 then your argument could use some bolstering.
     
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  2. classic308

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    foul play? Really?

    I just checked, as I do daily, and MV is still WDC and MB still WCC.
     
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  3. Kimi2007

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    China 2007' - gets stuck in the gravel trap outside the pits. Yeah, raining, but nobody else did it.
    Brazil 2007 - locks up the brake, falls back in the field, loses the title
    Brazil 2008 - lets a Toro Rosso car passed him, and almost loses the title again in Brazil.
    2009-2013 Hamilton doesn't compete for the title, but manages to get into tons of avoidable contact incidents.
    Spain 2016 - hits Rosberg in Spain trying to dive inside him where there is no room to overtake.
    Abu Dhabi 2016 - disregards team orders and in desperation, tries to back Rosberg up into other cars. Desperate is actually an understatement.
    2021 - desperate dive bomb inside Max at Silverstone, runs off the course at restart in Baku and throws away a race, and is unable to defend in a last lap dash against Max for the title and loses.

    Hamilton has admitted pressure gets to him in interviews, and that the way he lost in his rookie year has always haunted him, so this pattern is not totally off base.

    He's not the only one that suffers from this flaw of silly mistakes under pressure. Vettel is exactly the same way.
     
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  4. ktu

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    I also just checked, as I do daily, and Masi is still under investation for deciding the title.
     
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  5. ktu

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    Name a driver who never made a mistake.
     
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  6. william

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    The perfect driver is not born yet. Even the best make mistakes, but on the whole, Hamilton makes less than most, and wins more often.

    I think the incident in Spain (Barcelona 2016) was not exactly as you depicted, unless I am wrong. My recollection is that Rosberg was ahead of Hamilton. During the first lap, at the 3rd corner Rosberg accidentally triggered the pit limit button on his steering wheel, Hamilton was caught by Rosberg's car suddenly slowing down, swerved to the right to avoid it, ending on the grass run-off. Without any grip, Hamilton's car overtook (still on the grass) Rosberg and spun in front of it. Rosberg spun too, but I am not even sure the cars touched, and if they did it wasn't a heavy contact. Both cars finished on the run-off to the next corner, . That's how the race was broadcasted and commented on SKY, with several replays showing the accident. The red light on Rosberg car was quite visible for a few seconds.

    As for the rest, one can debate Hamilton's responsability in some incidents you mentioned, but he is certainly not immune to mistakes.
     
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  7. Kimi2007

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    I never got that defense. No matter what engine mode Rosberg was in (wasn't the pit lane limiter), Hamilton had no business trying to shove his nose in there. There was literally no gap.

    Anyways, you're obviously free to your opinion, and I can appreciate there are fans of Hamilton that love his driving. That's all cool. I'm just putting it out there the flaws I've always seen in both him and Vettel.
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

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    You forgot Nurburgring 2007. Lewis gets stuck in the gravel trap THEN gets lifted by a crane to resume driving. I haven't seen that happen since!!!
     
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  9. william

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    No, you are absolutely right, there was no gap there, but that's because Hamilton never intend to pass Rosberg at that place !!
    He was simply caught out by Rosberg slowing down and took evasive action to avoid rear-ending the car.
    I think only the pit lane limiter trigger the red flashing rear light.
    But you choose to see different, of course ...

    You are damned right I am entitled to my opinion, and I am no fan of any particular driver.
    But I want to be objective and give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, without prejudice.
    You should try it sometime ...
     
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  10. william

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    But that's not Hamilton's fault !
    If the recovery crew put him back on track, and the race director didn't subsequently black flag the car, what was he supposed to do?
    Pull up in the pits and give with a perfectly healthy car?

    I
     
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    #1511 jgonzalesm6, Feb 15, 2022
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    Is it allowed for the recovery crew, once an F1 driver gets stuck in the gravel, to put said driver back on track???
     
  12. pilotoCS

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    Wrong. Rules are constantly changed for many reasons. What you've singled out is your opinion.
     
  13. furoni

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    Someone just had the trouble to answer you for me, but if you read my post with a bit more atention you'll see i pointed out 2001, so you don't need to go that far back...
     
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    However Mercedes only won because both their drivers threw red bulls drivers 3 times out of the race. So they cheated in order to win another title...amazing how elton fans fail to remenber this....
     
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    Nor before i guess! Another Elton exclusive, like finishing second and given first place!
     
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    Perhaps you meant give to Elton what belongs to Max :)
     
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  17. classic308

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    yep, but whatever happens to Masi won’t change the fact that MV is WDC and MB is WCC.
     
  18. furoni

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    Still today i couldn't say if it's allowed or not, but i don't think it is, after all, Ayrton was disqualified for a push start and going across a chicane,...i guess if he had been carried by a crane it would have been fine :)
     
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    Other drivers got stuck in the gravel in the same race BUUUUT were left in the gravel and didn't get "preferential treatment" like Lewis got with a crane lift.

    Toro Rosso complained to the marshalls as to why Lewis got to have a chance back in the race while others did not.
     
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  20. william

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    I don't know, but they did! And it wasn't Hamilton's fault.

    Why race control didn't stop him, that's the question.
     
  21. jgonzalesm6

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    What do you mean it wasn't Hamilton's fault??? He slid off track....as others did as well.

    Why race control didn't stop him??? Maybe because he got preferential treatment WHILE others didn't whom were in the same predicament.
     
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  22. william

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    I mean it wasn't Hamilton's fault that the recovery crew put him back on the track. They decided that themselves !

    I have no idea why race control didn't stop him, and you can draw your own conclusion on that.

    It's another case of the race director's discretion I presume.
     
  23. william

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    That is widely accepted.

    What people want is Masi's scalp !!!
     
  24. jgonzalesm6

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    EXACTLY!!!!!!! Who was the race director at the time???
     
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  25. william

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    No idea.

    Charlie Whitting perhaps ?
     

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