The Purosangue Thread

I loved the practicality of my FF and having 4 doors instead of 2 would be great. Even though at $500K I’m not a buyer, I do hope this come in PHEV V12 form. Silent around town with a V12 growl for when I want it would be amazing. The looks most people will get used to, I hope the driving experience delivers.

 

There is still much to discover about the vehicle, so to make pronouncements as if we know everything- well, some of us might, but I sure don't. And I've been through this enough times to know not to make much of a judgement. First impression is it's kind of what we would have thought. I do agree in the pic there is something weird going on with the wheel arch.

I think the criticism that its not a hard core Ferrari is valid- but- I remember when people complained they moved from front engine to mid engine. Then when they went to fuel injection. All of this was due to market forces and regulations. At the end of the day its a company, whether its public or not, they have to make money, they have to go where the market is. Im not sure the 2009 California and its descendants are hard core sports cars. I don't think the 80s Testarossa was either. It seems to me this car replaces the 456, 612, FF/ GTC4 in the lineup so its meant to be more of a GT and by that stand point this is the format more people are choosing these days... Lets wait and see -what if it drives circles around everything else?

 

You are right: maybe the problem is only that I'm too old to understand and like this change.

Ciao

 

I hate to criticise Ferrari as they have allowed me to live the dream but i do think now i have seen the early pics of the FUV I'm confident Lusso prices will harden.
As has been said Ferrari should create a trend not follow and established a well supplied trend.
Many will no doubt order one because it is a Ferrari but i can see a 50% depreciation within very few years of launch.

If you want a utility 4x4 buy a Range Rover

 

Anyway I guess it's a bit too late for a re-design?

The unwanted? feedback is not very positive.

Come on, they could try, many months still before december...

 

I'm pretty positive these leaked photos are 100% genuine and no altering or photoshopping whatsoever. Once Ferrari decided to build a SUV then they're hands were tied in terms of what they could do design wise. They have attempted to be different and keep design elements of the 296, Roma etc. The sad fact it hasn't worked out is very unfortunate however the biggest mistake of all from Ferrari was to decide to make an SUV in the first place.
How ironic that the only very attractive SUV currently on the market is the new Range Rover which is a stunning piece of design. Hardly surprising that the car maker who invented the SUV over 50 years ago are still the only ones to get it right because they don't have to compromise their design by introducing Supercar DNA into it as there isn't any.
The Range Rover is the only large SUV I'd consider buying today and I have absolutely zero interest in Ferrari's version. Still think It'll sell like hot cakes but to a new family of Ferrari owners such is the unrivalled strength of the brand.

 

The Ferrari has nothing to do with the Maserati.

A carbon tub doesn't necessarily mean a superior chassis. Case in point is the 4C, which is not that great. Also, why wouldn't the 296 cost more than the MC20, since it is a much higher performing car? Finally, let's first see how these Cosworths actually perform, not to mention how long they last before they require a rebuild...

The 296 is a proper jump from the F8 in terms of performance. There isn't any space between it and the SF90 Stradale for an in-between model.

They are not competitors. The Rangie is a full size, luxury, off roader. The Purosangue is a slightly raised GT.

 

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They are not competitors. The Rangie is a full size, luxury, off roader. The Purosangue is a slightly raised GT.[/QUOTE]

Of course not. I was referring to the aesthetics of all SUVs on the market currently. Range Rover is lucky as their entire DNA history is made up from 4x4 in some form or other. Lambo, Aston, Bentley, Rolls and Ferrari have been forced into this market segment due to the consumers obsession with large SUVs and the growing Chinese market alike.
The massive growth in large SUVs have grown hand in hand with the western countries growing obesity problem. Western democracies economies have become very reliant on consumers consuming whether SUVs or fast food. Everything and everybody is getting bigger except what we all ultimately rely on, Mother Earth itself.!

 

Well said, too early to judge anything.

 

This is not correct per my info. There is a reason the car is called Tributo - a final tribute to the non assisted ICE. The 296 will slide into the F8’s place once the car is out of production. Pricing wise does not make sense either to add another V8 model on top of 296. Cannibalism.

 

Quite a few FChatters have commented on the odd look of the wheel arches.

I believe that the explanation for the jagged and gappy look is quite simple.

Aerodynamics.

If my plain old 3 series BMW benefits from wheel arch vents then I expect that the PS will too, especially with all that frontal intake area.

One of greatest headaches that supercar manufactures have to cope with is heat management. Hence the array of scoops and vents at the front, side and rear (note the vents under the tail light clusters of the leaked PS photos). They aren’t there just for show.


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This forum with every new car Ferrari releases:

“Its an abomination! Ferrari is dead as we know it. This is the end of Ferrari!”

Meanwhile Ferrari stock price and sales go through the roof

The usual response: “People are idiots and will buy anything red with a Ferrari badge on it!”

On another note, I picked up my new Portofino M a while back and I’m reminded again that Ferrari knows how to make cars that are simply brilliant to dive (pretty good for a company that is consistently reaching its end)

I’m sure the Purosangue will be the same. No car appeals to everyone but this style of car is absolutely in line with Ferrari history, is frankly long overdue, and will sell out before it’s released demanding strong premiums on the second-hand market. Oh, and it’ll probably be a blast to drive, make all the right noises, and turn all the right heads to make the driver feel special. I’m going to predict this is not the end of Ferrari and they do better than ever (as they have with every major release)

 

But they could do a larger car with the new V6 and front e motors
Essentially 296 is a new segmentation play so less about cannibals and more about choices within the brand

 

Ferrari still is a very, very small ‘ independent;’ manufacturer. How on earth should they be able to cope with the likes of the Urus (VW money) or Porsche (again VW). They have to make do with whatever limited budget they have.
Or you go the other route and go full Koeningseggggg and Gordon Murray and produce 1million+ cars.
Seems to me they sit very happy ‘ in the middle’ of that spectrum. For the average consumer that is the top level. Like a Rolex (oooh, I said it). When the people that actually can afford these cars know there are even more elusive brands like Koeningsegg and Patek…..
We have to judge the car for what it is and for the brand it represents.
I know it’s not for me and the family. Not sportscar enough for me or roomy enough for the family; just like the Uturus.

It will probably sell like hot cakes. Just not to the likes of us…. JUST what Ferrari intends!

 

If Ferrari invest the profits into developing two seat Supercars then it'll be worth it IMO.

 

Are you arguing that carbon tubs don't make cars lighter, stronger and stiffer? If Ferrari truly believed Alu chassis were better, why do their super cars like the LaFerrari, Enzo, F50 and F1 cars all have carbon tubs? Ferrari still build their production cars from Alu for profit, nothing more.

It was not the carbon tub that let down the 4c, it was the steering, over all lack of development and the engine.

We don't know that the 296 is a "much" higher performing car. They have not been compared at the same time same place. The Mc20 will be much lighter and on track will most likely match or outperform it.

You have a good point about the Cosworths life span, that is still very much unknown.

 

I am surprised it took 100 pages for the carbon tub debate to materialise. A humble request to you that if you want to debate carbon tubs with @REALZEUS and whoever else that will come and pile on fore and against to please take it up on one of the 100 other threads where this has been debated ad nauseam. No car manufacturer makes a SUV with a carbon tub neither will Ferrari so lets please leave carbon tubs out of this thread.

 

There are carbon tubs (the LaFerrari expensive type) and then there are carbon tubs (the cheap 4C type). A car can be as good, or better, using an aluminium construction, that was the point.
The stats speak for themselves regarding the 20C vs the 296; the difference is huge.
But [gTr] is right, this thread is about the FUV.

 

Ferrari is without question the single best sports and GT car manufacturer in the World for decades.
Range Rover is without question the single best SUV manufacturer in the World for decades.

Any questions?

 

Test-Prototyp Purosangue yesterday afternoon at 05:52 pm on German Autobahn A6, had a glorious V12 sound and numberplate of Heilbronn ("HN")

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Land Rover you mean (now Jaguar-Land Rover). Range Rover is a model.

 

Apologies.

 

Ferrari is preparing an electric supercar. How can an electric Ferrari be substantially differentiated from say an electric Porsche or other luxury brand? How do you create an authentic electric experience? At least Porsche is investing serious resources into synthetic fuel with the ambition of keeping it's GT line of cars ICE powered beyond any ban on traditional fuels. That is an honest approach to do the very best to retain a genuine core product for the enthusiasts.

Ferrari does not seem to be going down this path to my knowledge. What are they doing to keep the V12 alive past any potential regulations? I would not say putting the powerplant exclusively in unobtainium models such as Icona, One Off, track specials is worth an SUV.