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355 Fiorano Handling Package Vs Challenge Suspension ECU.

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  1. ShineKen

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    I was thinking the same thing, however, 170075 arm also works with a standard bar (159353).
     
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    There’s actually a third front sway bar for the 355. For super early cars equipped with mechanical steering. These must be the rarest 355’s as I’ve never come across one.



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    Hi Ken, Im doing to upgrade all bushings so what is the right parts number for my car?
     
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    You can start with getting a bunch of #6’s in the diagram. Maybe #2 as well.

    Bushing numbers for the sway bars were posted above. I’ll gladly take your old ones so save those for me :).



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    Ken,

    These are the anti-sway bar bushings on my car now...


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    They're white, dirty but white. :)

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    Thanks. It's nice to have a visual confirmation of these little nuances for Fchat record keeping.


    If others haven't already noticed, my posting style on Fchat probably seems like I'm in my own world talking to myself. I use Fchat as a virtual notebook :). Makes it easy for me to reference my own posts with pics any time. Lots of little things to keep track of with these cars.
     
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    You're welcome. My pleasure.

    Now I see. I was wondering how you did that. :)
     
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    Ok. Received an email response from Eurospares regarding bushings for the uprated FHP/challenge sway bars.

    "175878 no longer available no alternative

    103259 no longer available but you can use 108748 £16.91 each new in stock"


    So for the rear bar, they recommend 108748, which is this....

    https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Parts/108748/Ferrari

    "This part number 108748 is found in the following part catalogues.

    Ferrari 308
    Ferrari 328
    Ferrari 330 and 365
    Ferrari 512"


    So 355 is not listed. I asked them to measure out the diameter of the hole. If it's 19mm or slightly less these will work as an alternative. Superformance also has available front and rear FHP bushings, which I'm probably going to try out and compare for the fronts.

    It's never straight-forward with these cars. There's always something :).
     
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    Eurospares sent me pics and measurements of bushing 108748. Said it's closer to 18mm as they didn't want to cut into the rubber. 18mm diameter for a 19mm sway bar. What do you guys think? Yay or nay?


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    If your standard bushing is worn out enough, one could get lucky and the 19mm bar would slip right in :).
     
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    You need to get 19mm bushings for a 19mm sway bar...





    What's good for a 2002 Dodge Neon is good for a 1995 Ferrari F355

    After all, they're both just cars. :)
     
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    This MOOG vid says you can get away with up to .5mm undersized. So close, yet so far... Who wants to take one for the team? I know I've taken plenty :).

     
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    Great. Vid link not working here. Search Youtube vid "Moog Universal Sway Bar Bushings"
     
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    Ken, you might get away with that 0.5mm but there are a lot of choices out there. I've seen them in rubber, polyurethane and delrin-lined. And in white, black, red, blue and purple. Like a rainbow, they come in colors...





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    #167 308 GTB, Mar 9, 2022
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    Ken, I hope you understand that I'm being light-hearted here. Upgrading a 1995 Berlinetta the way you're doing is a good thing to do. Trying to be "100% original" is an impossibility and quite frankly unnecessary.

    My car was kept upgraded by the two owners that raced it in the North American Ferrari Challenge Series. There were two upgrades it never got; the lower air box shields and the transmission oil cooler. The cooler came in a box along with the car. Who knows what happened to those lower air box shields. I'm not sure they were very effective anyway. Air is going through the boxes too fast to be heated up by the engine bay.

    I have no intention to install the transmission oil radiator system. That's left both my fog lights functional. I've converted them to yellow LED and wired them to stay on independent of the of the stalk lighting controls with a switch on the console. Now my car is very visible on the track, a great safety feature...


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    ...just like the big boys. :D
     
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    Personally, I wanted the OE bushings simply because everything else I've gotten is OE, so the experience Ferrari had setup for an FHP car would be close minus quick steering rack and tires. We have better tires today, which is good :). For me it was simply a matter of logging in the experience of the OE setup as a reference point so I can comment on them if people ask for my opinion. I'd have no problem running better bushings after that and at this stage, since OE is not available, I'll have to run after-market or Superformance's alternative.

    I'm also skeptical of using polyurethane bushings as NVH can be introduced if not maintained. If an OE bushing is cheap and easy to swap out, I'd prefer to go that route as the car won't see enough miles for it to matter. OE bushings tend to offer a pleasant road-going experience. Moog bushings look promising as it seems they can give an OE pleasant experience with a bit more enhanced performance.
     
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    Your car, once set up, will be unique amongst Factory set-up FHP cars so the comparison won't be fair. The bushings' contribution to the overall feel of the car will be negligible so get the proper sized bushings.

    The stock steering rack is pretty quick on its own. I don't think the quick steering rack is a great advantage. It's just a few degrees of turn either way.

    As far as tires go, mine have always been Pirelli slicks in stock sizes for the F355 Challenge over the years. The compounds changed a bit a few years ago and so the "original" slicks are no longer available. We had better slicks. Today, Pirellis are very expensive but we have an alternative. Michelin has made made slicks appropriate for my car. The front tires are the same size as the Pirellis, the rear tires are a couple of millimeters larger. And they're cheaper than the Pirellis...


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    ...They're great on the track.

    Tires are much better today than they were 25 years ago. Get the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S - 225/40ZR18 F and 265/40ZR18 R. Those are stock sizes and are fantastic. I switch to those when it's too cold for slicks or when it's raining...


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    I have come across a few Spiders with FHP in Japan. However, the 2 spiders in the video appear to be Serie Fioranos imported from the U.S and a modest attempt to Euro-spec them… ex… changing tail lights etc. The front and rear bumpers are still U.S with an attempt to block out the side reflectors.
     
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    Was there ever a product number for the suede covered steering wheel?
     
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