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F1 Bahrain Test - 10-12 March 2022

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  1. jcurry

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    who said they developed two cars to the same degree. They could have spent very little on the first car relative to the second car, knowing full well they weren’t really testing the aero at Barcelona.
     
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  3. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-no-fears-of-legality-dispute-over-f1-sidepods/8869150/

    Mercedes: No fears of legality dispute over F1 sidepods

    Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has no fears about his team's sidepod design becoming the subject of a legality dispute in Formula 1.
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    By: Jonathan Noble
    Mar 10, 2022, 7:47 AM
    The German manufacturer revealed a radical new concept ahead of the start of the Bahrain test, using the Side Impact Structures (SIS) as separate fins to help shrink its sidepod bodywork further back to be much smaller than anyone else.

    Red Bull team boss Christian Horner was quoted as saying by German publication Auto Motor und Sport that he had doubts about the design being within the 'spirit' of the regulations.

    However, his team intriguingly later denied that Horner had given any interviews to media about the Mercedes car.

    Even though there has been intense focus on the sidepod design, Wolff said that the concept has been given the all-clear by the FIA.

    "The process is very clear, when you go in a specific development direction with your team, having the FIA as part of scrutinising it, you're exchanging CAD data and making them part of the process," he said in Bahrain.

    But irrespective of the FIA giving the green light to the design, the governance structure of F1 now means that the rules can be changed with a 'super' majority to prevent a single team using an innovation that others don't agree with.
     
  4. DF1

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    Weather has potential sand-storm tomorrow
     
  5. classic308

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    I’m pretty sure that the FIA assistance was similar to the help given to MB’s DAS system. That said with 4 teams running MB engines the rules aren’t changing anytime soon.
     
  6. DF1

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    Evidently the sidepod in Barcelona didnt contain much on the Mercedes. A facade.
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what-the-f1-regulations-says-about-mercedes-sidepod-solution/8867699/

    What the F1 regulations says about Mercedes’ sidepod solution
    Mercedes raised some eyebrows on the opening day of the second pre-season Formula 1 test when it rolled out its radical new sidepod solution on the W13.
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    There had been whispers ever since Barcelona about the concept potentially exploiting some grey areas of the regulations, and it did not take long for such concerns to be voiced in Bahrain.

    Red Bull’s Christian Horner was quoted by respected German publication Auto Motor und Sport as questioning the legality of the design.

    However, his team subsequently moved to deny he had spoken to any media – even though the respected journalist involved was clear he had talked to the team boss.

    Whether Horner was speaking on and off the record is something only he knows, but in the comments he was reported to have said, he did suggest the Mercedes sidepod was against the ‘spirit’ of the regulations.

    In F1, it’s incredibly difficult to measure the ‘spirit of the regulations’, because you can only quantify what’s written within them.

    And, as such, the key factor in the rulebook about the Mercedes design and its incredibly slender sidepods, is the placement and fairing of the Side Impact Structures (SIS).

    F1 cars must have two of these structures on each side of the car, all of which are a standardised design that the sport introduced in 2014. This was originally done as a cost cutting measure and also served to curtail some of the more exotic designs that were being produced at the time.

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    McLaren 'U-pods' detail

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    At the top of that list are the ‘U-pods’ seen on the McLaren in 2011 (above), with the team having to go to extreme measures to pass the stringent side impact tests required at the time.

    There’s no longer a requirement for teams to pass a side impact test, owing to the spars being a known quantity, which just leaves room for the teams to design around the positional requirements imposed by the regulations.

    In that respect, there have been changes for 2022. The upper SIS is now required to be placed at least 50mm higher than it was before, resulting in teams having to rethink their placement and how they impact flow into the sidepod cooling inlet.

    Last year, all of the teams had converged on a variant of the solution that Ferrari first introduced in 2017, whereby the upper SIS was placed low and ahead of the inlet and ultimately produced a more aerodynamically favourable design.

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    Mercedes has taken this design principle and turned it upside down in many respects, placing the upper SIS in a higher position inside the allowable legality box and creating an aerodynamic fairing for it that acts as an airfoil for the very extreme sidepod packaging.

    It’s also worth mentioning the cluster of vortex generators on the outer edge of its span (blue arrow), which also coincides with the redesign and repositioning of the mirror and its ancillary flow conditioning components.

    Furthermore, there’s a new set of fins cropped up on the edge of the cockpit (green arrow), which we have seen other teams adopt already in order to help channel the airflow in a more desirable direction.

    Decoupling the upper SIS from the sidepod bodywork has then allowed the team to think laterally about the size, shape and orientation of the internal components, the inlet plus the bodywork that shrink wraps tightly to them.

    The sidepod itself is also pushed back from the SIS when viewed from the side, allowing the team some space to include some downwashing chassis canards ahead of the inlet (red arrows). This has been spun 90 degrees, with a tall, slender opening allowing it to minimise the width of the sidepod.

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    Ferrari F1-89 (640) 1989 comparison with McLaren MP4/5

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    The design is reminiscent of the Ferrari 640 (above), which also featured a very tall, narrow inlet, especially if you compared it to many of the other designs on the grid at the time.

    But, as the sidepod bodywork wraps rearward, there’s also a hint of the triangulation seen on the Brabham BT42. However, Mercedes has the benefit of being able to be more creative with its surface geometry, creating a sort of jelly-mould design, whereby the sidepod bodywork tapers into the floor.

    Much like the Williams, which had already impressed us when it was revealed, the upper bodywork quickly tapers down and inwards too, although their passthrough inlet now seems to serve a similar purpose.

    In a similar fashion to Williams, Mercedes may have moved some of its cooling to the car’s centreline, with the body widened significantly from the halo rearward, not only to accommodate the radiators and coolers packed in and around the power unit, but also to provide a defined route for the airflow to pass rearwards over the car.

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    McLaren MP4/30 intercooler detail

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    This move to a more centreline dominant cooling package is nothing new though, as teams have been pushing in this direction for some time now. The Toro Rosso STR10 and McLaren MP4-30 were at the forefront of this in 2015 but, more recently, we’ve seen the likes of Alpine and Red Bull adopt similar saddle-like configurations.

    To help keep things cool under the hood, especially in warmer climes, Mercedes also has decided to deploy two separate cooling gill panels, one at the front of the sidepods and one over the haunched section of the engine cover.

    This allows it to run a minimal rear cooling outlet and decide upon a cooling gill arrangement based upon the circuit conditions at hand.

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    Mercedes W13 detail

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    Whilst the sidepod and engine cover packaging takes front and centre in the discussion, there’s more for us to dig in to when it comes to the new Mercedes package, with the front wing and floor also revised.

    The front wing upper flap has some subtle changes, with the trailing edge geometry altered in order to change the airflow's passage across the front face of the tyre (red arrow).

    Meanwhile, and perhaps more importantly, the team has altered the loading of the wing in the central section, with the dipped profiles used in Barcelona exchanged for more inclined variants.

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    Mercedes W13 front wing comparison

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    In terms of the floor there are numerous changes, with not only a visible alteration made to the outermost edge strake’s orientation and shape, but the wave section in the front corner of the floor that it used during the first test has been discarded too.

    There’s still some geometrical tricks being played with the floor edge here in order to entice the airflow. However, it is likely there’s still more to come over the course of the next few days as it has yet to deploy the floor edge wing that’s allowable in the new regulations.

    At the rear of the floor, the team has also added a more robust metal stay in order to try and prevent the floor from flexing down towards the track as the load builds, and prevent the sort of porpoising issues that were prevalent for all teams in Barcelona.

    This is becoming a common feature for the teams as they all try to combat the ill effects of the phenomenon and Ross Brawn, in an interview with Will Buxton, alluded to the FIA looking at the possibility of building the mandatory fitment of one into the regulations to help govern flexion.

    Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W13
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  8. subirg

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    Mercedes comes up with an innovative design and Fchat goes into meltdown and claims it must be cheating. Seriously, everyone needs to get a grip. If Ferrari had come up with this, we would all be congratulating their design ingenuity. Get over it. Their design concept is novel. But as far as we can tell, we have no idea if it’s actually any faster than Ferrari or RB…

    Personally, I don’t want a spec series where all cars look the same and design innovation is outlawed.
     
  9. DF1

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    Yes +1 I posted same earlier. If this was a Ferrari design the response would be different.
     
  10. SimCity3

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    and it wouldn't be the first time that Merc has spent a tonne of R&D money years ahead of new incoming regs, with their subsequent political lobbying

    this could be yet another 2014 era advantage
     
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    Tires - Interview with Pirelli - Mario

    The front locking is a function of the stiff set ups and was expected
    The rears appear to be able to be pushed more
    Minimal graining in Spain test. Overheating here potentially more as this is much warmer

    Overall the tires are different and will be driven differently to work.
     
  12. steved033

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    Was wondering if that was the case....just a different shaped bodywork piece/second skin.

    sjd
     
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    Martin Brundle saying the Mercedes doesn't look like it has done in the past pre-season tests since 2014, a clear front runner. He said whilst the new sidepods surely disappointed many teams this morning, it seems to have disappointed Mercedes the most right now.

    Anthony Davidson claims the fastest car so far looks like the Ferrari, consistently a good, drivable, quick car.
     
  14. jpalmito

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    Thanks Bas !
    Too good to be true ?
    But i will wait the end of Q3 to believe this..
     
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    The Ferrari looks sorted. Mclaren nice as well!!
     
  16. GrigioGuy

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    Agreed. But it does seem like Merc gets a waiver more often on this sort of stuff. DAS was allowed, while Renault had to give up the mass dampers.
     
  17. DF1

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    Ferrari 1 and 2!
     
  18. trumpet77

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    The only thing we know for sure so far is that as of right this minute, Ferrari is fastest on track right now.

    Better than most other possible situations!!
     
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    And there is nothing wrong with that !
     
  21. trumpet77

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    Oops, as soon as I wrote that Gasly goes fastest! Oh well, engine modes/fuel load all unknown.
     
  22. steved033

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    Stroll!!!!

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  24. Bas

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    Jeez perez. That was embarrassing.
     
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