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  1. BigTex

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    Can someone help me with the USA broadcast schedule??

    I have to pack my breakfast into the Weight Room by the pool.
     
  2. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I don't have a problem with teams protesting another's design.......such is the case in F1's history.
     
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    +1 Absolutely
     
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  4. william

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    But the FIA already has a technical team endorsing or rejecting the design, so why challenge that willy nilly just to embarass a team, and create obstruction, just because it came with a different solution one never tried before? It looks to me that "the spirit of the rules" covers all sins and mostly unconventional designs.
    A team like Red Bull only wants to open another can of worms. They want to stifle progress.

    I agree that wing flexing must be controled though, although I doubt if it brings big benefit. But those can only be tested when they are static, and they can satisfy the rules at that point, but not when they are aerodynamically loaded. The flexing should be checked in a wind tunnel. Plus vibrations also cause an object to flex.
     
  5. jgonzalesm6

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  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The "mirror war" will be fought tomorrow

    Tomorrow in the meeting of the Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) the technical disputes that emerged during the F1 tests will be discussed: the main topic will be the legality of the mirror supports of the Mercedes W13-mini, given that Binotto wants a regulatory clarification, believing that the solutions of the silver arrow have an aerodynamic function.

    The "mirror war" has already been called. Tomorrow at the Technical Advisory Committee (TAC) meeting the topic will be on the agenda: the Mercedes W13-mini showed up on the track last Thursday in Bahrain with a very narrow belly and an airfoil that contained the upper anti-intrusion cone . Above this unprecedented structure the rear-view mirror with its questionable supports found a place that ignited the discussion in the paddock.

    Christian Horner, Red Bull team principal, had defined them "against the spirit of the regulation" as soon as he saw the imaginative realization of Brackley's aerodynamics, only to later deny the confidences made to Michael Schmidt, authoritative journalist of Auto Motor und Sport, in a climbing on… mirrors worthy of a professional actor.

    Mattia Binotto, on the other hand, did not hide: the Ferrari driver has taken on the responsibility of making it clear that the mirrors of the W13 perform an aerodynamic function that is prohibited by article 3.2.2 of the F1 technical regulations.

    Some teams, therefore, would have submitted to the FIA some requests for clarification that will be discussed in the Technical Advisory Committee tomorrow. The intention is to try to settle the dubious issues before the start of the season, to avoid that a world full of contents can be immediately conditioned by ferocious controversies.

    The intention would be to resolve the cases before the start of the Bahrain GP weekend to ensure that the pending issues do not end up in the hands of the college of stewards.

    It must be said that Mercedes had made the CAD data of the W13-mini available to the FIA and the fact that the evolution of the silver arrow has not received any dispute from the federal commissioners, highlights how Brackley's car for Nikolas Tombazis respect the technical regulation 2022.

    "We always evaluate the rules also according to the following years and we evaluate if things are clear and if the new rules can sometimes contain things that may not have been written as we had foreseen them - said Tombazis -. I think that overall the level of discrepancy is quite low, although there are some small areas that we have discussed with the teams. I believe we will have another TAC meeting on Tuesday to settle these issues. "

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  7. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    In this particular situation with regards to the mirrors on the wing, it IS NOT STIFLING PROGRESS, but Ferrari just want clarification on the matter.

    This is part of the F1 process......whether it's against Mercedes, Redbull or Ferrari.
     
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  8. jgonzalesm6

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  9. johnireland

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    So, starting this Friday, four drivers have their heads on the chopping block if they don't perform at a very high level...and sooner than later. Ricardo, Fernado, Perez and Seb. There are other drivers also being watched...but these four are being paid to deliver, and they all are expected to drag their cars to a higher level of performance than they did last year. The question I pose, is who will go first and will it be before the season is half over?
     
  10. jgonzalesm6

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    Note that they don’t show the tires mounted on the black wheels with the stupid black hubcaps—they realize that this would be too ugly. Yet F1 hasn’t figured this out!

    Did any driver even use the C1’s during testing?
     
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  13. 375+

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    All will last the season and probably beyond. Of the four you mentioned I would guess that Seb will be the first to retire. His heart just isn't in it anymore.
     
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  14. william

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    Maybe Christian Horner would like Mercedes to submit its CAD data to Red Bull first ? o_O

    Is this another storm in a tea cup?

    The 2021 season ended under a cloud, it seems that some want 2022 to start under controversy.
     
  15. Mitch Alsup

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    If it has already been approved by FIA why protest.

    I mean just because you didn't think of it first................
     
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  16. jgonzalesm6

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    Why not??? Didn't Ferrsri want clarification from the FIA about Mercedes and RedBull's FRIC system(whom were running it for 2 years)???? Ferrari didn't think of it and guess what??? It got banned ending 2016 and going into 2017.

    No harm WHOMEVER wants clarification.
     
  17. william

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    Clarification is different from protest. The former is inquisitive, the later accusative.

    Unless the FIA doesn't provide clarification, and leaves the door open for protest.
     
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  18. DF1

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    Toss this out into the 2022 Silly Season thread.
     
  19. Schultz

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    Should toss Yuki Tsuonda in that list too... then again Redbull knows better than to drop their talent after a few years now.
     
  20. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-bahrain-has-exposed-the-weaknesses-of-f1-2022-cars/9011464/

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    Why Bahrain has exposed the weaknesses of F1 2022 cars
    Formula 1 teams and drivers were upbeat after the first test in Barcelona that if they could cure porpoising, then the new 2022 machinery would be enjoyable on the limit.
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    The ground effect aero was delivering well at high speed, the tyres seemed to be behaving well and, although the extra weight meant the cars were quite cumbersome, there was nothing to get too alarmed about.

    But last week’s Bahrain test has prompted a bit of a rethink as the three days of action delivered many more difficulties. A lack of grip, unease over the bumps and inherent understeer gave the drivers a much more difficult time.

    In fact, while there had been very few mistakes and offs in Barcelona, it was impossible to keep up with the number of drivers in Bahrain who snatched an inside wheel and ran wide at the tricky downhill Turn 10 left-hander. It will be a place to keep a close eye on out on this weekend.

    As Lewis Hamilton declared on the final day of the test: “I think 2022’s car regulations have meant everyone is sliding around. We all seem to have got less grip than before, and the tyres are worse this year.”


    What we don’t know yet is if what we saw in Bahrain is the norm or just an outlier. However, it is fair to say that there were a lot of factors in play at Sakhir that have exposed potential weaknesses in the F1 2022 concept. The higher temperatures in the Middle East, gusty wind conditions, more abrasive track surface and low speed corner characteristics all added up to create some extra challenges.

    Ferrari's Carlos Sainz Jr explained: “I think the tarmac is a lot older, rougher, so immediately the car just has less overall grip, which I think is normal here in Bahrain.

    “We always have the same delta that a car that is always nice to drive in Barcelona, you arrive to Bahrain and everything is a bit trickier because the grip is lower.

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    “If, on top of that, you add the fact that it's a lot bumpier, and we know these cars are running stiffer in general, then probably the limitations are exposed a bit more. That's I guess why you see people doing some extra mistakes, some lock-ups, some corrections.

    “Then on top of that, you add the wind. These cars still feel relatively sensitive to the wind, because they still produce a lot of downforce, so you add another variable. That means the car is still going to be even trickier.”


    One theory that started being voiced in Barcelona, which appears to be very true after Bahrain, is that there may well not be a one-size-fits-all answer for how F1’s 2022 cars behave on individual tracks. As the cars are better in the high speed than low speed corners, it may well be that on faster circuits they will be much more fun to drive than at slower venues.

    Alpine driver Fernando Alonso said: “It seems that the high speed are quite good on this new set of regulations. And Bahrain is all lower speed corners. So maybe it shows a little bit the weaknesses of these regulations, plus the weight, etc.

    “It could be one of the races that is significantly slower than last year, while some of them will be matching the lap times. But it's the same for everybody."

    In the meantime, the way the F1 cars are behaving in Bahrain could make for a difficult season-opener. The understeer characteristic of the heavier 2022 cars and tyres, allied to the added challenge of less downforce in low speed corners, has meant lock ups on entry are an ever-present problem.

    It was something that Alpine’s sporting director Alan Permane says all teams have been battling, and will need to overcome before Sunday’s race.

    “One of the problems we've had with this car, and I think it looks like it's up and down the pitlane, is a little bit of front wheel locking,” Permane said.

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    “That's one of the areas we've been just trying to fine tune to reduce that without just sort of winding [brake balance] bias rearwards, so you end up with a lot of rear locking.

    “We've been playing with different settings to help that. Some things have made it better, some things have made it worse. But that's one thing that can very quickly kill you in a race. If you flat spot a tyre, you can really ruin a stint.”

    The other big unknown is how much the stiffer set-ups on the cars are going to make life difficult for the drivers from a physical perspective – especially when it comes to pushing over a full race distance. Teams will have to compromise between what’s best for ultimate theoretical performance, and what is best for keeping the drivers in a happy place.

    As Sebastian Vettel put it: “We need to find the right compromise. First, I think you've seen all of us suffering similar issues. You know, the regulations pushed the cars into being a lot stiffer. The tyres are different, they take less of the absorption because of the smaller, stiffer sidewall, different philosophy. So it feels very different.

    “I think it will be about managing, trying to find the right setup, going into qualifying and then the race. Hopefully you find the right compromise.”

    But even if the cars are more difficult for drivers, they understeer in slow speed corners, there are locks ups and wild off track moments, having nice compliant grand prix cars was not the aim of the 2022 regulations. It was about delivering cars that produced better racing: and that’s something we will only find out on Sunday.
     
  21. jgonzalesm6

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    It'll be very interesting to see where everyone shakes out and what changes, restrictions, or overhauls the FIA will impose should the right people not win. I'm wondering what will happen if anything on the Mercedes car... like the mirrors... will be found out of bounds. Will it be DAS? It's illegal but you can use it anyway for the season or will it be more like RB and their wing: You have a couple races to comply with our new interpretation.

    If I could have it my way, neither Mercedes nor RB would be 1-2. Id much rather see Ferrari get the collective sh*t together for a change and be competitive. Im hoping it's close enough that some mid-fielders can steal a few wins and really shake things up. Id love to see Lando get this first win... or even Mick. That would be nice to have some podiums and wins truly up for grabs.
     
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  24. DeSoto

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    Why so much fuss about the mirrors? If finally they deem them illegal I doubt Mercedes will bother much, the gain they add must be minimal. The trick is in the crash structure cover and the sidepods.
     
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    I think that’s really what’s in question.
     
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