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458/488 Brake Recall

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  1. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

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    Just looked at MyFerrari website - the recall campaign is initiated in France with starting date of March 8th (I did not get mail notification yet).
     
  2. elt360

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    It was announced world wide on that date.
     
  3. 020147

    020147 F1 Rookie
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    A big thank you for this post @SAFE4NOW! My 488 brake recall was performed today by my dealer.

     
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  4. Scout123

    Scout123 Formula Junior

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    I received my letter in the mail yesterday stating that the replacement parts are at the dealerships now and I can make my appointment.
     
  5. 430jm

    430jm Formula Junior

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    Many on here were condemning Ferrari and accusing them of doing nothing…
     
  6. Bad Boys 1

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    I think its nonsense..

    maybe, if you never had an issue this may prevent something further down the road , but if your car
    has a hard peddle now ...I seriously doubt this will be the fix.

    If fluid has already leaked into the booster this will not cure the problem.
    only replacement of booster and seals accompanied by cap replacement
     
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  7. up4speed

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    I don't think that the recall is intended to fix any car that already had a problem. I think it is designed to prevent a future incident.
    The funny part is that I'm convinced that Ferrari is not sure that it is a 100% solution to the problem. If they were, there would be no need to change the software to give a much more panicked message in the event of low brake fluid.
     
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  8. MANDALAY

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    So its all about the cap ?
     
  9. elt360

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    Ferrari I believe have come to the conclusion that the brake fluid reservoir was pressurising and that build up of pressure was enough to force fluid passed the master cylinder seals into the booster.
    So the replacement cap must have a pressure relieve valve in it to dissipate the build up of pressure.
    The replacement cap is only about £2 so I think I will buy another cap and cut it open to see what the pressure relief valve looks like.
     
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  10. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

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    Mine is being picked up and going in for the recall on 3/22....
     
  11. Shorn355

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    Contacted my dealer over the weekend - They got back to me today and said parts were trickling in and I have an appointment on Tuesday to take it in - Have not checked mail but assume I will have a letter as well. Will report back on how it goes.

    Cheers :)
     
  12. MANDALAY

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    IMO Ferrari is talking BS.

    The brake master cylinder is designed with 2 pistons incase one would fail you will still have braking of 2 wheels. The cap has nothing to do with release pressure ? Well its news to me as other cars dont have pressure relief.

    If brake fluid is going into the brake booster the only way that happens if the seal is compromised. See the video

    IMO the cap is just a good excuse to get your car in the workshop so the tech can reset the value when the waring light comes on.

    It could be set at 50% right now. They will just go lower say 20% and a not so threatening warning will come on.

    The real problem is brake master cylinder in its ability to hold the brake fluid from squishing through. Changing both items on all the affected cars would cost MILIIONS. However the problem could be just a few vehicles.

    Ild bet that if a car with these so called upgrades has the level signal go of Ferrari will see if there is any brake fluid in the brake booster and if there is you know they will tell you it needs replacing.

    Interesting that cars still not covered by warrantee are paying for a fluid change as a part of the cap replacement.

    What I have written is my view. I have built several cars from ground up and never have i seen such a thing as this. IMO its a Placebo.

     
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  13. MANDALAY

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    There is no way a cap change will fix a car that has this problem, Yeh Ferrari have done nothing. Just like their sticky parts.
     
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  14. todd cloud

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    great video
     
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  15. MANDALAY

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    I believe you are following Ferrari's direction. How about cutting one of those caps and pointing to some sort of relief value for us ?

    I can not believe there is a value. What pressure ? In the plastic bottle ? Rubbish.

    The brake fluid on some cars that have a faulty seal is what I reckon is the cause, hence why the brake fluid in the brake booster.

    The real fix is changing the whole set up with a non faulty brake master cylinder and booster.

    OH BTW if the cap has a value can I assume Ferrari has no issue with Brake Fluid being squirted out ?
     
  16. 430jm

    430jm Formula Junior

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    I’m confident here in the US they wouldn’t try garbage. And the dealer knows I’m a litigation attorney.
     
  17. MANDALAY

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    Curious have you bought any of the Ferraris with sticky parts ? Did you get them to replace all of them ?

    Im sure many attorney's have bought one of those. Somehow I have never seen a post that said Ferrari replaced all my sticky parts which in time will be sticky again.
     
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  18. up4speed

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    Is there another part# for that cap? I looked up 000810768, and nothing comes up.
     
  19. elt360

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    Drop the 3 zero's the part number is 810768.
     
  20. elt360

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    There seems to be some scepticism on here about the cap fix. Don't forget this is a Bosch fix as Ferrari buys the master cylinder from them.
    So where does this leave us.
    10000 or so cars are to receive the modified cap so it won't be long before the problem reoccurs on just one car if fitting the new cap did not solve the problem and hopefully if that happens we here about in the press and subsequently on places like this forum.
    TIME WILL TELL.
     
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  21. 430jm

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    I agree with you on sticky parts. I just don’t think it’s the same as a warranty recall under federal law. They should’ve done something about the sticky parts along time ago, or at least make sure that they’re not happening on more current models.
     
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  22. Sargepug

    Sargepug Formula Junior

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    Don't forget about the software update in conjunction w/ the cap. Hopefully that gives a much earlier warning of failure? Who knows....
     
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  23. Scout123

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    I spoke to the service department in St. Louis today, and confirm they have the parts and software ready to go. He also said they just received the inserts they were supposed to stick into the owners manual. Not sure what’s on that. My guess, extra warning about being sensitive to brake fluid being low, and probably full explanation on how to use emergency parking brake is brakes fail.
     
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  24. Shorn355

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    I will get my owners manual sticker on Tuesday and will post unless someone beats me to it :)
     
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  25. bball16

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    Recall done today at my dealer. Dropped the car off at 9 and picked it up at 3. Done. Brakes feel great and no side issues.
     
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