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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Red Bull has reduced the weight of the RB18. The car is still above the minimum weight but rumors say that the current weight reduction could give them two or three tenths per lap
     
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  3. Bas

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    Is that an upgrade brought in after the final test or during?
     
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    Final test
     
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  5. jpalmito

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    They talk too much to the press.
    They are overconfident like we were after the 2019 winter test..
     
  6. jgonzalesm6

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    Panic mode at Mercedes......

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    Many believe that Mercedes hide the true potential during testing. One team calculated that Mercedes has one second in their hand with just engine power alone. The team saw in the GPS data of Williams.

    Williams sometimes turned up the engine during testing. If this is true, George Russell would have driven at Verstappen's level during the tests.

    The Mercedes engineers are working on adjusting the car so that it comes into its aero window with a lot downforce without porpoising. Figures are circulating in the paddock that Mercedes might have found about a second with its new concept compared to the old one.

    t is questionable whether Mercedes can get the porpoising under control without additional slots and holes in the floor. And that would cost lap time. In any case, Mercedes has not yet proved that its concept is the most promising. Nevertheless, the competition is worried.
     
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    Mclaren and Williams both broke curfew last night.

    I forgot how many curfews teams get but it's not a great start.
     
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    We'll see tomorrow.

    I'm still skeptical.
     
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    Interesting that Williams is allowed 8 infractions, while McLaren gets 6. I assume because of the order of the championship standings last season, still kinda odd to me though.
     
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  12. Bas

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    Mercedes modifications for race 1: front wing (flaps), nose (more undercut), floor (edge ahead of rear tyre), rear break ducts (lower deflector endplate).
     
  13. jpalmito

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    Budget cap ?
     
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    no. Mb will undoubtably have produced those parts when they started developing the car pre-cost cap restrictions ;)
     
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    that or the parts cost a whopping £10 in labour
     
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    Budget cap is not such a worry early in the season, but it will be towards the end.

    I guess there will be less modifications and updates after the mid season, not to go over budget.

    I don't know what the penalties are for teams that go over budget.

    Just like the grid penalty for engine change, some team may have factored that in their strategy.
     
  17. classic308

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    As we saw in Brazil last year grid penalties for a spicy pu don’t amount to much.

    I’d like to see points deductions to both driver and constructors.
     
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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-f1s-porpoising-headaches-wont-end-just-yet/9096470/


    Why F1's porpoising headaches won't end just yet
    The fight for glory in Formula 1’s season opener this weekend looks almost certain to be influenced by the ongoing issue of porpoising.
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    What at first seemed to be just an uncomfortable consequence of F1’s switch to ground effect cars when it materialised in testing has turned into a critical area of performance.

    Teams have quickly come to realise that the lower they can run their cars without being affected by porpoising, the more downforce they can gain.

    And it is finding that sweet spot, between going for performance by running low but not suffering from too bad porpoising, that will be especially critical for teams in their set-up choices for this weekend.

    Some outfits have found that right balance and have understood what needs to be done, whereas others like Mercedes are struggling a bit more to get on top of it.

    Alpine, for example, was pretty chuffed at the end of last week’s test about how it had explored the set-up boundaries of its car to know what does and doesn’t work.

    Sporting director Alan Permane said: “We can switch that on and off now. We know what makes that happen, what stops it.

    “But I'm not sure we fully know whether we want it: whether it's quicker in some settings or not quicker and we should live with it. But we did get some settings where Fernando [Alonso] said: 'I wouldn't be able to race like this.'

    “I think if you look at other cars, you can see certainly the Ferrari was at some points really bouncing. So we've got a much better handle on that now.”

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    While Ferrari has endured its fair share of bouncing over the two pre-season tests, some of that was induced as an experiment to find out what doesn’t work.

    Team principal Mattia Binotto said that even before the first Barcelona test, his team was mindful about the potential for trouble – even though it had not cropped up over the winter.

    But part of that reason, as he explained, was that teams’ windtunnels are limited in speed.

    “No-one had foreseen it or given it the right importance, so why didn't it show up in the simulations?” explained Binotto.

    “In our case the phenomenon occurred when exceeding 250 km/h, and in the windtunnel we are limited by regulation to 180 km/h.

    “We had hypothesised something about this phenomenon, and we thought of possible solutions to try something if the problem manifested itself. That is why already on the second day in Barcelona we went for an answer.

    “The team was very reactive, in one day they designed, produced and brought to the track a new component. It was possible because basically we had already started to think about what to do in case this problem arose.

    “It is not yet a completely solved problem, but for the most part, the solutions brought to Bahrain worked.”

    The focus for everyone this weekend will be where the compromise is made: easing the porpoising and reducing the performance, or gunning for performance and leaving the drivers in an uncomfortable spot.

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    Ferrari’s Carlos Sainz Jr admitted it was hard to know which route was best.

    “As a driver you suffer the bouncing, but at the same time you know that the lower you go with these cars, the faster you are in the corners, but then the more you suffer on the straights because of the bouncing,” he said.

    “So it's a compromise to be found. I'm a strong believer that the bouncing will disappear and shouldn't be there, as it's not normal to see an F1 car jump like that, and we're working on trying to address it.

    “Already in Bahrain, testing was a lot better than in Barcelona and we could run the car in a more optimal window. But I think we need to keep working on it, if we need to get rid of it fully.”


    But even if teams make good progress in addressing the problem this weekend, it will not mean porpoising is gone for the long term.

    Let’s not forget that teams have had three full days of testing in Bahrain to find the right balance between performance and porpoising ahead of this weekend’s race.

    Next weekend’s race in Saudi Arabia, where the higher straightline speeds will likely exacerbate the problem, will be a tougher challenge because there is no pre-event testing.

    As Sainz said: “I think the tricky bit will be when we go to circuits that we haven't been testing, because I still believe that tarmac and the conditions, the heat, the air pressure, everything affects the aerodynamics, so it affects the bouncing.

    “I think the biggest challenge will be Saudi because it's a really high-speed circuit and a new track for all of us with these cars. I think this will be tricky to set up. It will be a bit like everything: you will start little by little, but it will be a challenge for sure.”
     
  19. DF1

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    That wont work if Ferrari were doing what Mercedes did. The call on this forum would be that your idea is unfair if Ferrari were making engines as Mercedes did. Dead idea here.

    I see no issue at all. They were penalized. They did it anyway. Thats a team problem to sort not the FIA. Let just take points away for a bad paint job too shall we LOL
     
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    Its on! Pre - practice show!
     
  22. william

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    I can understand points deduction for the team, but I am against penalising the driver.

    For me, a driver should only be sanctioned for his driving errors, not the reliability of his car.

    However, going over the engine allocation is solely the team's responsability, IMO.
     
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    woo! here we go!

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