2022 Bahrain Pre-Race Thread

Starting tomorrow I don't think it makes much sense getting stirred up about the past and whatever our views of it are. New cars, very new...and a field of decent drivers and a few very very good ones. Lot's to enjoy and ponder. Hopefully a wonderful weekend of surprises and may the best teams win. I'm encouraged by what is being said about Haas...but tomorrow will tell us more. The Ferrari drivers I think can equal any out there, and just may have the car to prove it. I'll be back at the end of the day tomorrow and hopefully full of smiles.

 

Go back and close read Bas's response for the correct answer. It was clearly advantageous to Mercedes and the teams that were supplied with Mercedes engines, unbeknownst to their competitors at the time. Nothing more, nothing less. A good chunk of their early campaign was aided by this up until Ferrari closed the gap and Vettel choked.

Also, the team that did best is being accused of cheating because there is irrefutable reason to believe they cheated, not because they were successful.

 

I don't think that Mercedes was supplying 4 teams when the rules were decided - 3 perhaps, but Renault surely had 3 (I believe), but that's beside the point. .

The engine rules are the result of a consensus. They were not imposed on anyone.
If one constructor don't approve a proposal, he may always withdraw from the discussion, leaving the others to fill the gap. Case of VW perhaps ?
That can create problems if there are not enough engine builders.

Let's say Honda and Renault didn't approve the hybrid formula; Honda and Renault may not have rejoined or continue in F1.
That would have left only Mercedes and Ferrari as engine suppliers. Would that have been workable?
I doubt it. So if the hybrid formula exists, it's because it was accepted by all.
Companies CEO are all adults, and they won't be bullied into a decision, I'm sure.
So that's one myth debunked !

 

Yes, Mercedes was one step ahead. So what's wrong with that?

They have a huge research department; were they supposed to ignore its benefit?

You remind me of the story of the guy who takes his neighbour to court thinking it's unfair that he benefits from more shade, having a larger tree in his garden!

You have been repeating the same accusation for years.

 

Advantageous yes, but that's not cheating! Mercedes did its homework on hybrid technology, and others ignored it.

Some teams are more advanced on aero, some on chassis design, other on suspension, etc ...

 

If only to let this matter to rest, I hope this first GP will bring a different winner.

 

Others ignored their homework? You do know teachers assign homework to entire classes at once, right?

We don't allow one student to create an assignment for the class, hand it in, get other students to agree to do it, and give that one student who created it extra credit for creating it and handing it in early. That would be highly unethical. Some might even call it "cheating."

 

Like Russell?

 

LOL

 

Huge RBR / Verstappen fan here with a Mexican-American wife who loves Checo! Also have huge respect for young racers like Norris, Leclerc, Sainz, Albon, and Russell. Hoping for an exciting year and the return of a competitive Ferrari and maybe McLaren too! Echo everyone else's hopes that Haas can figure out a way to be top 6 this year too.

 

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I hope so. I'll call them Force India/Racing Point by mistake.

 

Hulk replacing Vettel who has kung flu..

 

Two team indicating they’ve eliminated porpoising. Would be very surprised to learn of only two.

 

Did I use the word cheating? No. Did Giallo 550? No. The word used was advantage.

 

WTF ???

 

Why not a debris flag?

 

Read post #202 and #207, they clearly mention cheating.

 

And then you can read Post 198.

 

People get bitter because their favourite team doesn't win, and accuse the opposition of doing better.

Well, that's sport for you. If you can't take the rough with the smooth, you shouldn't get in it!

To come back to the accusation of cheating, it has been made many times against Mercedes to explain their success.

Preferential treatment from the FIA, collusion with Pirelli, influence on the stewards, etc .... it's all a machination, according to some.

It's childish to say the least, but not surprising in the context of tribal mentality stirred up by the media system.

 

So Mercedes getting caught with Pirelli to cheat is now a figment of our imagination.

Says it all and don't need to bother engaging with you further.

 

It’s like the joke about wrestling a pig in mud—after a while, you realize the pig is enjoying it.

In this case, you realize he just needs an outlet to post inane, senseless drivel in industrial quantity—thousands and thousands of trolling posts or “Captain Obvious” observations, LOL.

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If you aren't cheating you aren't trying hard enough. Ross learned that early on.

"JUST WIN, BABY"

 

If you read my previous posts you would know my feelings about that tyre test.

It was illegal, and should have been penalised. But that happened once (to my knowledge), and it doesn't explain 8 years of domination!

No idea why the FIA didn't sanction Mercedes, but my hypothesis is that Pirelli needed to test tyres, and FIA gave the nod for Mercedes to be part of it.

When this was uncovered, the FIA pleaded ignorance, but was powerless to do a thing.

It couldn't blame Mercedes only, when the sole tyre supplier was also part of it.

That's what I think happened. But it was illegal, absolutely.