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  1. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

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    That's is always the case as values go up ..

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  2. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    What kind of deferred maintenance do you typically see on these cars?
     
  3. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    My car is at Norwood. James has been honest with me about the things needing repair. The slight misfire that was causing the CEL turned out to be devilish to source. I didn’t see anything particularly bothersome on the invoice, although $13.50 per quart of synthetic oil seems a bit rich. :eek::D
     
  4. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Front and rear ball joints, engine mounts, oil leaks, clutch and F1 shifting problems, leaking release bearings, blown out gearbox mounts, ignition coils failing, exhaust manifold failures( who knows how long they have been driven around with them leaking). Melted cat converters due to unaddressed misfire issues, bad shocks..the list goes on.

    Every car is at different levels of maintenance. Some just need an oil change...others are just plain unsafe to drive..
     
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  5. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    Well I can see that if you really let things go over time, you could get to $20K quickly. I assume that a lot of Ferraris for sale are due for some TLC, which is why the owner wants to unload.
     
  6. Extreme1

    Extreme1 Formula 3

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    I’ve got a 2009 F430 and if I had to take it to a dealer or even my Indy, I couldn’t afford the car. I’ve got some mechanical ability that I’ve learned over the years that helps me with all my toys.
    Oil changes are ridiculously simple. Gearbox oil changes are even simpler.


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  7. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky Two Time F1 World Champ
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    It's simply amazing how many neglected Ferraris are out there. They all seem to be coming out of the wood work.
     
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  8. tbakowsky

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    Like this from today never mind. It won't let me post pictures
     
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  10. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    My late father’s best friend used to have an Audi 5000. It needed repair, so my dad followed him to the local shop to drop it off. My dad got out and asked the shop owner “how’s business?” The shop owner looked out at the Audi, wryly smiled, and said “it just got a lot better.”

    :eek::D
     
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  11. Ingenere

    Ingenere F1 Veteran
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    I had my CS for 10 years. Did 99% of my own work and I doubt if I spent $20K the entire time I had it. 3 majors, belts, plugs, coils, trans cooler, clutch, blah, blah, blah. Being willing to learn how to work on these and spending some time in the garage can enhance the ownership experience as well as save some money. And at the end of the day, nobody will take better care of your car than you!
     
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  12. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

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    Electrical problems seem to be at the top of the list.
     
  13. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    Yes, we haven't had any of those thus far.
     
  14. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    I think it all depends on what you enjoy. I’m not a complete basket case. I disassembled all sorts of sticky parts and refinished them to near perfection, removed a bunch of old PPF from the front end and did some wet sanding to get rid of the lines, etc. Once upon a time I, along with my dad, designed a round taillight panel for the 348 (google lemans grill 348). My dad really did the heavy lifting on that - fitment etc - he had a love and aptitude for that kind of stuff, plus he was a brilliant mechanic.
     
  15. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    And a lot of people cant be bothered to cook their own dinner even though the house has a nice fully equipped kitchen so they go out every night. There are far more people who have zero desire to maintain their car than those who have zero desire to cook dinner. For them it does nothing to enhance the ownership experience. In their case, at the end of the day anyone takes better care of the car.
     
  16. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    I think that fits me. I own a vacation rental mgt co. in TN, and charge homeowners a certain percentage to manage their property. Can they do it themselves and save a chunk? Of course they can. But do they want to? Nope. They are happy to pay me to take care of it.

    I really value someone caring for my Ferrari that is well-versed. There are several independent Ferrari technicians in Texas, including Brian, that are top-notch in their field. When I get my car back, I won't have to worry about if it's been done right or if I messed something up. I can just drive it and enjoy. The big deal for me is distance. It's a $1500 round trip just to get my car shipped to DFW, and a lot more $$$ if it's beyond that, so I like for all niggling details to be taken care of at once, to try to prevent more frequent visits to the shop.
     
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  17. efg2014

    efg2014 Formula Junior

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    I would never buy a car from a someone who works on it themselves. In my book, if they can't afford to get a professional to take care of the job, then there is greater chance something was neglected or not done properly on the car. Just my opinion. And $11,000 is not that much money when it comes to maintaining your Ferrari.
     
  18. HH11

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    In my experience there are just as many screw ups with professionals. Not saying there aren't a ton of great ones, but to discount a well versed enthusiast is ridiculous.

    You think the dealership mechanic is really doing that much better a job at draining and refiling the oil than anyone else? Or swapping spark plugs?

    DIY jobs can save you thousands. The car isn't any worse off in most cases if a knowledgeable owner works on it themselves. Serious mechanical work can get you into trouble, but I have found that most guys who work on their own cars know their limits.
     
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  19. Husker

    Husker F1 World Champ

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    there certainly is something to be said for a good service record history. That sold me on my car.
     
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  20. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    There are really excellent home mechanics but they are rare. There are real deadbeats in the profession too and sadly they are less rare but there are a lot of talented people too. There are a lot of things in life that I pay someone else to do for many reasons. I choose wisely. Not really that hard to do.

    I evaluate a lot of cars for clients. I cannot remember a single one that was owner maintained that I suggested my client buy.
     
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  21. efg2014

    efg2014 Formula Junior

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    You have 2 cars to choose from both are exactly the same year, features and model. One was maintained at a reputable shop whereas the 2nd one was maintained by the owner. Which one would you buy?
     
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  22. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #47 Rifledriver, Mar 18, 2022
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    So you have chosen badly when picking professional service providers and that is someone else's fault? Are you a millennial?

    I have heard no one here discount a well versed enthusiast. Most consider themselves well versed but in reality so few are. And the real problem is as it applies here is there is no way to determine that. At least with professionals there is all manner of ways to check their bona fides.
     
  23. clean512

    clean512 Formula 3

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    Completely wrong . I do all my own work and bought my 360 as a allmost basket. Didn't even know it started. I took that chance. I'm a tech by trade but not some master ferrari tech. Master techs can make mistakes too. There is a difference when you have a passion for the industry. Some get this and some don't.
    I have amazing attention to detail and a drive to fix and to learn.some understand this and some don't. Some people don't even own tools. If I ever sold my 360 yes its not for everyone it will be so sorted more than most. I don't bring it to a concourse I drive the piss out of it. I
     
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  24. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    #49 Rifledriver, Mar 18, 2022
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    This whole topic started with saving money. We all want to save money. Everyone has a budget, even Bill Gates has a budget, its just bigger than mine. Everyone alive needs to figure out what is important to save on so the house, the kids education etc can get the money needed.

    Now if you are buying a Ferrari would you buy the one owned by the guy who spared no expense on his car and wore cheaper clothes or lived in a smaller house? Or the guy fixing it in the driveway because he could not afford the dealer? Does not mean its a bad car. Its an unknown where cost was a huge factor in its maintenance.
    Servicing the car with cost as the primary factor never ends well and it is the logical assumption of anyone looking at a car that is owner serviced. May not be universally correct but life aint fair.
     
  25. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Um, you being a professional mechanic does not make his statement completely wrong. No one expects a plumber to hire a plumber to fix the sink.
     
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