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  1. 375+

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    Fixed it for you;)
     
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  2. DF1

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    Alonso: Following is easier, but not overtaking
     
  3. Bas

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    50+kg extra weight in addition of the overweight most cars are carrying, it's like driving last year's cars during a quali run but with 75% fuel in the car. And another 110kg of fuel extra to carry now. Lap after lap, pushing along. Car ahead in clear air has cooler brakes so can brake later, whilst the car following are overheating.
     
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  4. DF1

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    Pinnacle...........of bloat and following. Nimble lol????????????????
     
  5. Giallo 550

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    “Life at the speed of a Mac truck.”
     
  6. Bas

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    I really think the base formula we have now is a great start. Clearly close following isn't an issue anymore.

    Sadly weight is a HUGE issue. the current engines weigh a **** ton. 145KG for the engine, which doesn't include the battery (another 20-25kg) and intercoolers. So a cool 175kg is engine. The V8's weighed 95kg, and that was their FIA specified minimum weight, despite the V10 already being lighter than that.

    I also think the cars are too wide and tyres too wide. Yes, visually it looks awesome but that's about it. Too much traction...

    Go back to Spec V8/10 with a fuel/rpm limit, fully synthetic fuel so it's meets the environmental standards, narrower tyres/suspension so the cars are 1800mm and we can then delete the DRS.

    I genuinely believe we'd have a highly successful formula then that meet just about every point.
     
  7. jpalmito

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    Imagine a Formula two 600 hp with V10 engine.
    This car will be 10seconds per lap slower than the current car but the sensation of speed would be a lot better because of the sound alone.
    Something is really missing in this current formula and this is not a detail for me ..
     
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  8. ingegnere

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    They made the formula all about sustainability but in the end it’s racing excitement that people want to see and these cars just don’t look exciting—so slow and unresponsive.
     
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  9. Bas

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    Exactly. When I see races from V8 era and before, it's amazing how much faster the cars look despite being much slower (especially in V8 era). The narrow tyres, much lower weight, narrower cars, they look much more alive. These cars are heavy. Very heavy. And they look it.

    +1

    Now that the excitement of a brilliant Ferrari 1-2 has died down a bit, was the race really that much better? Yes a great battle between Max and Leclerc for a few laps but now we have learned that even then Max couldn't really do much for more than a couple of laps, because the lethergic cars kept overheating, the brakes overheating...Leclerc managing his battery was really the only reason it allowed for a fight...

    The cars themselves where indeed following closer, but it was just that, following. Not really fighting as they where just heat managing.

    Heat management. Battery management. Fuel Management. Tyres management. Engine life management.

    When are the donkeys at F1 going to learn that F1 = a sprint race and not miniature Le Mans?
     
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  10. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    We asked for 'racing' we had 3-4 laps of it. Now we really have following........closer. Liberty celebrates lol. Perception feeds the Tik Tok ADHD crowd. Thats it. Fake to Survive fans. Id like good racing. DRS is now the only thing that allows for passing. What changed LOL??
     
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  11. jpalmito

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    Absolutely spot on !
    Power unit should last 6000km.
    This is not Formula One, this is Le Mans..
    At least our hypercar will have huge technical advantages against others when competing in 2023.
     
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  12. Bas

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    I mean the fix is simple. Simplify the ever loving daylights out of the cars. Look how exciting indycar is these days.

    1800mm track width.
    625kg minimum weight (compensate for Halo and improved crash structure currently in place).
    3.5 liter V10/12 on synthetic fuel with a rev cap and cost cap of say 400K per unit. Like V8 era, car is essentially a spec engine with minute things making a difference. Manufacturers don't like it? No worries. Cosworth etc will gladly step in because it's a no brainer money maker for them. With the cost cap in place they can take 1 engine per weekend or 5, up to them how to manage the cost really (so any advantage gained by taking multiple engines in a weekend are quickly evaporated because money disappears from their budget elsewhere). No dumb penalties for part failures any longer. Expect 1 engine per car every other weekend formula, so roughly 10m per team per season.
    Remove DRS
    Steel brakes.
    No need for a million different engines modes any longer.
    I think the current aero regulations work pretty well, I'd make a few changes such as narrower front wing but lower. Partial reasons is aesthetics, other is don't need them sticking out so wide and be the cause of potential wing losses/tyre cuts. Simplify the floor even further where it's venturi tunnels and the rest is flat No holes, no waves, no cuts.

    They can spare me the ******** that we can't have exciting engines because of ''the environment''. They just dropped a 30 race bomb shell on us, are people really so dumb to believe that efficient engines are the the reason manufacturers are in the sport. **** off they are. If it was about the environment they'd all be in Formula E, or better yet, abandon cars and racing altogether and manufacture bikes and mass transport. They can keep the eco hippies happy by saying without F1 on eco fuel, they wouldn't be able to fund saving some eco forrest in ****knowswhere. The eco mentalists don't like F1 now, even with ultra efficient engines, they won't like it then either. Stop giving them attention. Stop trying to please them. These fun hating dickheads will never, ever be pleased. Even if F1 was fully digital, held on computers and only watched on TV's they'd be moaning about the environmental impact of TV's and computers being on to watch an unnecessary spectacle.

    Grow some ****ing balls, F1.
     
  13. william

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    +1

    Sprint means racing from start to finish without interference too : no need for strategy, radio contact, mandatory pit stops. Let them race from flag to flag.

    F1 used to be like that at one time !
     
  14. ingegnere

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    As exciting as that was, it looked like it was playing out in slow motion. The cars are so slow into the slow corners and with reaction time increased—to the point that even I could avoid contact if I was driving—the sense of risk is practically eliminated.

    I think that with these slower cars they’ve just given an extra lease on life for the old guys: Alonso, Vettel and HAM. They can keep racing F1 instead of going to WEC to get their retirement thrills, LOL.
     
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    Bas for President !!! ;)

    You are right on a lot of points, I must admit.
     
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  16. ingegnere

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    LOL:

     
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    Serious porpoising.
     
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    My biggest gripe with F1(aside from this farcical Hybrid formula) is the constant coaching by radio between team and driver. When I first came to the sport, team and driver would do their best to qualify well. Once the driver buckled in to start the race(aside from pit board communication) he was on his own--he was the strategist. Now the drivers have Mission Control in their ears telling them what to do from start to finish. Is that sport?
     
  19. jpalmito

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    Bono , i need something to overtake him !:p
     
  20. Remy Zero

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    Thanks for the race. Still early days, i'm still worried until at least the 5th race of the season. I still don't trust that Merc.
     
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    The new ferrari power unit last 7500km.
     
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    This, in my humble opinion, is the post of the day!
     
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    Love the Macarena!
     
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