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360 F1 Clutch Wear Issues

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  1. Scrappydog

    Scrappydog Rookie

    Feb 7, 2014
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    My 360 F1 is having service work done and the workshop has reported that the computer is showing 100% clutch and would I like the clutch changing.

    The issue I have is that a different workshop changed the clutch a few years ago and I've only done around 3,000 miles on it. (I know, I should drive it more!). I've not driven it around town much; mostly go for long drives and try not to creep and definitely no hill-holds.

    So I figure that either:
    A) I have 100% worn through the clutch in 3,000 miles with normal cross-country driving. (I don't believe this).
    B) The previous workshop billed me for a clutch change, but didn't do it.
    C) The previous workshop did the clutch change, but didn't reset the computer.
    D) The new workshop is being dishonest (I tend not to believe this).

    If I discount A & B, my questions are:
    - If the previous workshop did not change the clutch, is there anyway to tell visually whether the clutch is worn out without splitting the engine and gearbox?
    - If the previous workshop did do the clutch change but didn't reset the computer, is there a way for the new workshop to measure the clutch wear and input this into the computer so it reads properly from now on and the service notes are correct?
    - is there anything else I haven't thought about?

    By the way, the car has a CS TCU which was installed by the previous workshop at the same time they changed(?) the clutch. Also, the car drives fine and gear changes are really good, especially in sports mode.

    Thanks in advance for any help!

    Andy
     
  2. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

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    A visual inspection thru the inspection window in bell housing will give you directionly where the clutch stands .. your mechanic should be able to tell ..

    3000 thousand miles seem very very unlikely unless setup was screwed up



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  3. EastMemphis

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    You would be smelling a lot of clutch to burn it up in 3000 miles. It's an unmistakable odor.
     
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  4. Scrappydog

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    Feb 7, 2014
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    Indeed! I've never had any hint of burning clutch and drive it is Sport mode most of the time, which is more jerky but it doesn't slip the clutch as much. (especially as I have the CS TCU).
     
  5. Scrappydog

    Scrappydog Rookie

    Feb 7, 2014
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    thanks, I thought there might be, but I couldn't find any pictures which show where it is. I will ask the mechanic to check.
     
  6. flash32

    flash32 F1 Veteran

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    There are slots on the double clutch plates that if they're gone then you're over 70% gone...btw ..if you were over 70percent you would know ..falling out of gear , not going into gear etc

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  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I don't think the computer can ever show a correct reading of 100% wear. The scale they were programmed with is wrong and usually by 70% or so they are malfunctioning. I suggest the 2 most likely scenarios are C or D.
     
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  8. Scrappydog

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    Feb 7, 2014
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    gear change is spot on and no glitches. So probably C, but you are right, it could be D :-(
     
  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Unless the transmission is already out there is no justification for replacing the clutch, no matter what the computer says..
     
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  10. Skippr1999

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    #10 Skippr1999, Mar 23, 2022
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  11. Scrappydog

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    I take it that this is a view of your clutch once the gearbox and engine are split?
     
  12. Skippr1999

    Skippr1999 F1 Rookie
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    No, this is looking through the window under the tranny which lets you see the actual clutch plate. This lets you assess things without the computer algorithm.
     
  13. Jb-Slow

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    May 11, 2020
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    They probably just forgot to reset the new tcu
     
  14. Scrappydog

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    Feb 7, 2014
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    oh cool, didn’t realise the inspection window would get such a good view.
     

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