The reviewers who have actually driven the 296 assert that the electricification DOES NOT add to performance but you who does not have any experience with the 296 or essentially with any super car, asserts otherwise. Who to believe ?
For those who never drive these cars, you are correct. But these cars are meant to thrill, excite and engender passion when being driven.
I don't disagree one iota with the above statement. The discussion though was about the performance, not the experience. The hybrid system contributes to enhanced measurable performance and I guess we can all agree to that.
Cup 2 Rs are meant for only 2-3 laps; they are really hero-lap tyres. Regular Cup 2s are much more consistent.
That’s simply not true. And, if as you say cup 2 is much more consistent - assuming you have personal experience running both - then could you please explain why the car does not come with the cup 2 given the more track focused intent of that particular version of 296. It just doesn’t make any sense why ferrari would put cup2rs on this car if it needs to be wheeled in after 2 laps. Most who go to the track would find that situation unacceptable.
Haven't run the Rs. That's what the Michelin bloke told us though. He said that the Cup are race tyres, whereas the R are qualifying tyres.
Im sorry but you haven’t really answered my question at all. Btw were you driving a 296? If not what Ferrari were you in? Or are you a journalist? If so my appologies in advance.
I am not a Ferrari spokesperson, sir, just an enthusiast. All I know is that the Rs are meant for 2-3 glory runs. I don't know what else you are asking of me and why you are enquiring about my identity.
Real has never owned a Ferrari or any super car. His opinions are based on hearsay and online reviews.
Omg how embarrassing! I feel stupid as i thought he was from Ferrari marketing or an undercover motoring journalist identity. My appology to all for being so naïve. I can now understand why realzeus was unable to answer any of my questions. Pardon my ignorance but who is noone?
Noone was a habitual poster on all super car forums but not only did he not own a car, he hated driving.
Well, I think it unquestionably adds to the straight line performance of the car in real-world use cases. 130kg penalty for an additional 164hp is kind of a no-brainer addition, especially given the instant torque an electric motor delivers. Electric motors are responsive and give great grunt - I love them! As for weight, I'm willing to bet that very few people on this forum could tell the difference that 130kg (100kg vs the F8) makes to a car, even on a track. It took me years of track days and club racing before I could genuinely feel the difference between having a passenger in the car vs not, and that was in much lighter and lower-hp cars. I'd say that the numbers really don't support the notion that the hybridization definitively doesn't add to the car. My speculation is that it does add quite a bit, and enabled Ferrari to tune the V6 turbo motor for max power without worry about turbo lag or linear power delivery. In the absence of the electric motor to fill in the gaps, the 296 may very well be extremely unpleasant to drive. Or it might be a joy!?! Without driving hybrid vs non-hybrid models back to back, however, nobody will ever know for sure...
the answer is fairly straightforward, manufacturers put cup2 r's on their press cars to make them faster for the manufacturer the expense of constantly having to put new tyres on is negligible for a track day enthusiast they make zero sense outside of qualifying laps etc (which is what the tyre is designed for)
Porsche do all their recent Nurburgring lap times on Cup 2Rs since they were introduced. They shave on average at least 1s per minute off lap times which translates into minimum 7s on the Ring. They are expensive hot lap tyres for marketing purposes but are really not feasible to fit on owners cars who get driven on all types of roads. The normal Cup 2s are more than plenty for delivered cars and in the vast majority of cases MP4Ss are even more suitable.
My feelings also. I like that the 296 GTB missus all the extra bits of the Pista and F8 . Its more like the 488 GTB. My only reservation is the Hybrid section. How long will it last and whether it will be included in the 15 years extended warrantee. Im curious anyone know if the 296 GTB has the regular 12 volt starter battery ?
I like the clean design of the 296. I think the answer on why hybrid can be best answered by the people making the rules. As I understand it, Ferrari has to reduce their year over year emissions, not to an exact mandated target, but rather to a target they and the regulators agree upon. When I saw the SF90 specs I noticed how the SF90 V8 engine makes more power than in Pista, but the emissions from the SF90 power unit of V8 turbo ICE + hybrid system resulted in roughly ½ the emissions. With 2 less cylinders and the hybrid system, I wonder if the emissions on the 296 are even lower still. So here is a way to satisfy the regulations and also the market place which demands even greater power. That the overall car is supposedly 35kg heavier than F8 is very impressive. Of course, nothing is perfect, so there are the downsides we all know about. I'm very curious to drive the 296, it looks like a lot of fun!
It's been mentioned elsewhere but the actual dry weight difference is 140 kg (1470 vs 1330). 1435 kg is the declared kerb weight of the F8 while 1470 kg is the dry weight of the 296 (of which the kerb weight is not given by Ferrari AFAIK).
the gt4 rs reviews on youtube really show a contrast in emotional reaction vs the 296, to a crazy extent too
The Porsche Gt4 is a vehicle that does not compete with the Ferrari 296 at all. It is a simple vehicle with outdated technology and the Ferrari is much better than it and that is why it is also much more expensive
