FORMULA 1 STC SAUDI ARABIAN GRAND PRIX 2022 - Jeddah - RACE.. ▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS▄▀▄▀▄▀

2022 promises to be a really fun year!

 

Yep, sure do.

You're the one equating stats with greatness and I argued that doesn't show who's the better driver.

 

Charles clearly has the better pace and whether he's ready to be #2 isn't his choice to make.

If teammates qualify side by side it makes sense for them to agree to give each other the most space to the first corner.

 

Well u are basing that on 2 races right? Because last year it was even


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We all have different opinions of who was a better driven in a given era, and we don't all base it on stats.

Alonso is one of the most thrilling racers to watch of my life. Amazing race craft, starts, overtakes, ability to see how races would play out. I'd put him over Hamilton and Vettel, and many others would agree.

I'd put Prost over Schumacher, too.

 

Mmmm tough one…I’m French , can’t put Prost over Schumacher for one reason: WET


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After hockenheim 1982 Prost decided to change his mindset about driving during races with heavy rain.
In fact he was very quick with wet track but didn’t want to take too much risks.

 

I remember but that’s my differentiating factor with Schumacher, senna etc


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No it was not, not even close.

 

I think Lewis' unable to pit during VSC cost him 2 places at most, in the end. With those around him getting the cheap stop (12-13 second loss) vs Lewis having to do the one at racing speeds (22 seconds), he would've finished either ahead of Pierre Gasly, or right behind him or perhaps still behind Magnussen even (seeing as kmag finished right behind Gasly).

But, had the VSC not been there (thus Ric and Alonso remained in the race), he would finish one place lower (Alonso well ahead) and had to battle to overtake Ricciardo before he could make his way towards kmag and Gasly. He would've passed Ric due to Ric being on older tyres anyways, but it still would've cost him time.

So taking the best case scenario finish for Lewis without retirements around him, 9th would've been the best case scenario.

 

Good result,also great to see some dicing down the grid too,Ocon v Alonso was getting fiesty until the Team cooled it down.

 

Ahh the Ham wars are dominating this thread again.
See you all for Australia.
I shall ponder whether to wear my Heuer Carrera (90’s re-issue chrono, salmon face, black rally strap) or not.

Forza !

 

Whilst true on paper...at least 1 of those engines is in name only (tag heuer). Even I'm not adding that to list of impressive statistics.

Max did equal Kimi raikkonen in career wins yesterday, however .

 

New footage come to light regarding Lewis and his pit. He was ordered to come in, but didn't. So that cost him. Pitlane was still open (it's only closed when the big red cross shows on the board)

Lewis pit entry (streamable.com)

 

Sainz:164.5pts, 4 podium
Leclerc:159 pts, 1 podium


Are people struggling that much with numbers in this forum?


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I never mention greatness; greatness isn't part of my vocabulary, it's totally subjective. It's only an opinion.

The FIA has established rules and a system to rank the drivers every year, and I go along with that.

The driver who accumulates the most points during a season is objectively declared the World Champion.

There is no other criteria. It's not the driver who is most spectacular, or who drive a lesser car, or the more deserving, etc ...

Every sport has its rules to determine the winner, and there is no alternative to that method.

Feel free to have your favourites, but AFIAK, i respect the stats!

 

Charles got a bit unlucky with those yellow flags at the end, but he is showing to be very cerebral, he has progressed a lot.
Sainz is not in the same pace currently, we will see how he progress, but we have a very good line up, better than red bull and on par with Mercedes.
By the way I keep hearing how Mercedes is going to fix their problems, I will be very shocked if they did, the concept of the car seems wrong that is unfixable.
Lewis teams keep gambling with their crazy setups like a setup will allow them to run with us or redbull, they are delusional, Lewis championship is a battle for 5 with Russell and hope Alpine, Haas or Alfa romeo don't usurp their third car place.
Verstappen races have been very clean so far, but I don't buy that he was racing the same last year, this time he is the one that need the points and can't afford a crash so he is doing what needs to be done to avoid it.
I'm very impressed with Ferrari performance at the pitstops and strategy. Mercedes on the other hand seems like a mid pack team.
I remember the last scene of Toto on drive to survive, every one has a target on their back, I guess they didn't get the memo, good luck battling Haas.

 

Leclerc: F1 2022 races would be "very boring" without DRS
Formula 1 races would be "very boring" if DRS was taken away, reckons world championship leader Charles Leclerc.

 

Yet the stats contradict your opinion. Nuvolari wasn't the most successful driver of his era because of the 1935 German GP. .

His interesting personality and the myth built around him by the Italian media of the time make him an ideal candidate for emotional attachment.

Nuvolari even became the object of cult transmitted from generation to generation. I too visited his museum in Mantova.

As for the "greatest drive in the history of Grand Prix Racing", there are a few of them I could quote, but you prefer to wax lyrics about just one.

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-created-unnecessary-mess-with-late-f1-call-says-sainz/9391496/

FIA created ‘unnecessary mess’ with late F1 call - Sainz
Carlos Sainz Jr and his Ferrari team say the FIA needs to speed up its decision-making process after feeling it created an 'unnecessary mess' in Formula 1’s Saudi Arabian Grand Prix.


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During the early safety car period that was triggered when Nicholas Latifi crashed, Sainz had emerged from the pits very close on the track to Red Bull rival Sergio Perez.

But, despite being ahead at the safety car line that defines who has position in the queue, Sainz lost third place on the road as Perez accelerated out of Turn 2 and forced him wide.

Ferrari spoke to race control about the situation, as Sainz being ahead at the safety car line meant that Perez should have to give the position back.

But despite clear television footage showing that Sainz was indeed ahead, the FIA delayed making a call on the matter and it was not resolved until after the restart.

That meant Sainz never had an opportunity to challenge Max Verstappen, who would have been ahead of him, and then both he and Perez lost ground as they switched places.

Sainz was not happy with the situation as he felt it was very bad for racing.

“In the end, we created a mess that for me is unnecessary, given the fact that we did six laps behind the safety car and there were millions of opportunities for Checo to let me by and have a good fight at the restart,” explained Sainz.

“If I would have get passed by George Russell for example, what would we have done? Would Checo have had to let by Russell and me, which would have been tremendously unfair for him too, or then Checo doesn’t give me back the position because there's Russell in between me and him and it's tremendously unfair for me.

“It's just these kind of things that, as a sport, we need to keep getting better at because I think we need to simplify things and just make it more quicker and easier for everyone to understand, and even for the drivers to go racing with a much clearer mind.”

 

You perfectly know this isn't the true picture between Charles and Sainz ...

 

My gut feel is and always has been Charles Is faster which this year is so far proven true … but last year’s shown the quality of Sainz


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I think Leclerc is correct. DRS is a necessary evil to allow overtaking.

Without it, I suspect there would be far less passes.

 

Beyond the variance found at the start - off the line, wheel spin, clutch or rev losses, there is no passing without it. Following is not racing lol. We can follow better but the DRS is now the prime method to pass. Tire wear does factor in but overall no DRS and Max doesnt win and he stated so. We have no perfect formula yet in the series but DRS is very powerful now. Engines are frozen etc. Will be an interesting year. For those who say racing is cleaner - that will change given following is easier and DRS is needed. As margins in points narrow the 'clean' will become less so.

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Saudi GP winner Max Verstappen reckoned that DRS provided him with the only means of being able to get past Leclerc for the win.

“If I didn't have DRS today I would have never passed,” he said after the race. “I think we are still too sensitive for that. And of course, some tracks are easier to pass than others. But for me at the moment, if DRS wouldn't be there, I would have been second today.”

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/leclerc-f1-2022-races-would-be-very-boring-without-drs/9392610/