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DRS negates driver dominance

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  1. laswyguy

    laswyguy F1 Veteran
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    still unsure if I like it... although it does make racing more exciting. Am I wrong?
     
  2. william

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    It's a necessary evil, IMO, or the races would be even more of a procession.

    DRS allows a clean slingshot on a straight, the safest place to make a pass.
     
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    In 2 races for 2022, Leclerc is strategic with the DRS zones while Max goes for instinctive kill which is tactful.

    Leclerc currently plays chess while Max plays checkers in the DRS zones.

    BTW, I dislike DRS.....its fake overtaking.
     
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  4. laswyguy

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    how much of a gap can DRS close? 2/10ths?
     
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    It gives the guy using DRS a 10 to 12mph advantage while in a DRS zone and 1 sec behind the driver in front.
     
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  6. laswyguy

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    wow, didn't know it was that much.. that's huge. Maybe they can reduce the amount of Aero so the increase is less??
     
  7. william

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    I think DRS make overtaking more predictable, cleaner and therefore safer.

    Otherwise, there is attack and defense taking place under breaking at the approach of a corner, where both drivers want the same piece of tarmac. That can become quite aggressive and lead to contact.
     
  8. NeuroBeaker

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    With the cars now able to follow more closely, and DRS aimed at a formula where that was impossible, I wonder if we could do away with it for next year.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  9. jgonzalesm6

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    No, unfortunately DRS is here to stay. 2022 was a whole new aero reset. Some teams are having a porpoising issue that could not be replicated in wind tunnel testing.
     
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  10. NeuroBeaker

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    I'd say: "That can become quite aggressive and lead to... excitement."

    If we wanted to see who could pound out the fastest laps, we'd just call Qualifying the result. The whole point of the race is to see who can actually out-drive the competition, not just drive fast enough to have DRS allow them to pass.

    The racing has been pretty exciting so far this year. Although, the best passes were the ones that were outside of the DRS zones.

    All the best,
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  11. william

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    I am not bothered by DRS, I see it as another driver's aid like clutchless paddle-shift gearbox, power steering, and all the technology and electronics that were progressively added on cars. I have nothing against movable aero devices on F1. We get them on street cars !!
    I know some people don't like them, but they make sense to me. I was very impressed the first time I saw the enormous wing on the Chaparral at Le Mans reducing the braking distances, back in 1967.
     
  12. Mitch Alsup

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    On DRS:

    a) Had DRS never been invented, this new formula would have had even less downforce (closer to 1998) so that faster cars had the opportunity to pass.

    b) Because DRS existed, they did not have to so reduce downforce in the construction of the current formula.

    c) Still it is completely against the underlying principles of F1 :: faster cars should win :: faster drivers should win :: Teams with faster development mover forward on the grid :: those with slower development go backwards.
     
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    How many DRS overtakes do people remember?

    Now ask the same question for non DRS.

    Yes DRS creates more overtakes but quantity isn't exactly quality...
     
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  14. william

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    How many incidents were provoked by DRS passes attempts?

    How many incidents were provoked by non-DRS passes attempts?

    I guess more of the later than the former.
     
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    We're here to watch racing, correct? In my book, DRS passing isn't real racing.
     
  16. william

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    Thats your opinion. What about lift-and-coast, is that racing?

    DRS is simply another technology added to cars. I can live with it like I accepted the rest.
     
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  17. SS454

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    There are too many DRS zones. I don't like that the guy behind can get into the "suck zone" and gain 4-6 tenths a lap through DRS. If the guy behind gets ahead, he often doesn't pull away because may not even be faster, or the guy now behind is in the "suck zone". The point of DRS was to help the fastest car that was no longer faster due to dirty air, have a chance of passing. One can actually save a lot of fuel by getting DRS 3 times a lap for 1/4 of the race.
     
  18. william

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    Maybe the solution could be to do away with the "zones", and let the drivers activate DRS when they want, and anywhere in the circuit.

    That would be more interesting that having the DRS restricted. Let's use it fully as a mobile aero device.
     
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    Since drivers would use it defensively, then there would be no point to it. Also imagine drivers risking DRS through 130R.
     
  20. Mitch Alsup

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    Would be no different than a driver driving a tire off the tarmac in the 1960............
     
  21. Bas

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    lift and coast is not racing, either (sprint racing).
     
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    So let me get this right, if you need to lift and coast because your brakes are most likely over heating, its no longer a race? ( guess you can add engine and tyres to that aswell i suppose....)
     
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    I have no problem with the movable DRS wing element but abolish the zones and any restrictions on opening/closing the wing. Let every car use it whenever the driver chooses to do so.
     
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  24. SimCity3

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    F1 is now about DRS Management.
     
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  25. SimCity3

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    Neither is fuel management.
     
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