Official 328 GTB/GTS Market Thread

It's only shocking at first thought, in a way; but why would it be shocking, considering that 246s fetch more money than 512BBs?
That being said, in no way do I look at my own '89 GTB as a 350.000 $ car...

Rgds

 

I do think rising tide (even if from an outlier), lifts all boats in that model. Anyway, I told Colleen tonight to find my car— 328 or even 308– fully documented and original. I do think the 308s and 328s are generally undervalued. I am happy I have the Dino I have and for those here who have the 328 they love— great. It is a great looking car— my favorite after my little Dino

 

It shouldn't be too difficult for a 328s: there are many cars, especially in the last year of production (sept 1988 to sept 1989) with very low mileage, or even full "time capsules" regularly on the market. Granted, more difficult if you are looking for an US GTB...US GTSs are easily available, Euro GTBs and GTSs also.
US GTBs are another matter entirely...

Rgds

 

" Neofer stated "Sorry, but that can't be for the "usual reason": the hood strut was "redesigned" (in a way) to avoid precisely that.
328s do not have a strut with a mechanical stop as 308s, but a simple gas strut without any stop, so the hood cannot be bent when someone forgets to release the stop,"
My 1987 328GTB has the same mechanical stop as well as my 87 328 GTS and my 86 328GTS. The real culprit for bent hoods is the purposely drilled holes in the hood tubing that create a hood that crushes on impact, instead of going straight back through the windshield. The hood is designed to be held at the back very firmly in the two mounts in the rear corners. The hood is INCREDIBLY weakened by these drilled holes, making pushing the hood release button an absolute necessity I think these were changed to shocks by 1988.

I missed the hood on the 89 328. Have to closely examine that. With holes in the tubing of the hood, if very much pressure is needed to shut the hood, the hood will bend. My hoods have THREE holes equally spaced right at the hood stay. These holes are virtually full width of the small square tube, so they TOTALLY remove any strength from the tubing from bending. REALLY a poor design. So even 1989 cars without the mechanical release, COULD have their hoods bend if ones not careful. So to keep the RARE hood that might go through the windshield in a wreck, Ferrari makes ALL of their hoods really weak! Do your hoods in Europe have the holes drilled in the side of the tubing, or is that a US spec that says there has to be a crush zone?

When you compare the 246 to the 512BB- it IS an interesting perspective, that the Dinos DO sell for way more money. Two cars built at the same time, the cheaper lesser performing car the Dino, sells for quite a bit more than the higher performance car with a flat 12- the BB. Although I find the Dino to be a stunningly GOOD looking car, I've stopped lusting after one, because I have another Ferrari that just knocks it out of the park in fun and performance- a 458 Spider.

325K for a 328GTB is a stunning number- a threshold I didn't expect to see. But when a 1967 Porsche 911 Targa sold for over 450K- the skies the limit.

 

As for the holes in the hood tubing, Brian, I can't say right now; will have a look, hopefully in half an hour or so, as the GTS is due for a spin this morning...but snow is expected in an hour or so, so if there should indeed be snow, the car would have to stay under its cover...
Actually, there is no need to apply any pressure on the hood, it just closes itself: you just lift it an inch or so to free the stop, and then let it close itself, you follow it with the hand, and let it go for itself four inches or so above the locks.

Rgds

 

I can't see ANY damage to the hood of the 1989 GTB. I thought the hood shock was changed to the passenger side when Ferrari DID change the design, and that's where this shock is at. ALL of my cars have the hood stay on the left side- drivers side. I'm almost positive the change occurred in 1988. But I AM curious if the idiotic holes are JUST a US spec. Appreciate your looking when you get a chance.

Looking at the amount of work this 89GTB had done, the problems that had to be solved, it got ALL of the money at 325K. Having a car sit for long periods, making a buyer think WOW only 9000 miles, causes more problems than probably driving the car on a regular basis and having 20 or 30K on the clock.

 

My '89 GTB (April 5, 1989 build date) hood strut; I can't see any hole in the tubing (but some trace of red overspray...)

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Earlier year 328s have the same old strut as the 308 with the push-button release. My 87 does, and I looked at several other model years that did too. I think they switched to the gas strut for 88.5 and for sure it was on the 89 cars. You can see it in the BaT car too, which was an 89. But all of them had very flimsy hoods with strategic weakening holes for crash protection. It would be much less likely to bend the hood on cars with that strut but not impossible.

Earlier year 328s have the same old strut as the 308 with the push-button release. My 87 does, and I looked at several other model years that did too. I think they switched to the gas strut for 88.5 and for sure it was on the 89 cars (can only speak to US cars since I never did see a Euro 328 in person). You can see the better strut in the BaT car, which was an 89. But all of the US-328 model years had very flimsy hoods with strategic weakening holes for crash protection. It would be much less likely to bend the hood on cars with that new strut but not impossible. I have seen bent hoods throughout the whole range.

 

Compared to the Testa, no engine out expense, much more nimble and fun to drive.

 

...and prettier...

(but I have to admit that I am somewhat prejudiced, I never liked the Testarossa, and I still don't; not to be defiant, not to be harsh on Testarossa owners, to each its own, but just what I feel. I was somewhat upset when they introduced the Testarossa, as I liked the Boxer/BB a lot - still do! -, and never forgave them for the styling of the Testarossa)

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I love the 328 car and also be multi 328 owner but I curious to know the reason to own two ( 86 and 87 so similar ) GTS ?

 

"I love the 328 car and also be multi 328 owner but I curious to know the reason to own two ( 86 and 87 so similar ) GTS ?"

I have really NICE cars and then I have project cars. I've had the 1986 since about 1989, when I purchased it, it had a turbocharged engine and 85,000 miles on the odometer- driven hard put away wet. An interesting project. The 1987 came up for sale on Ebay about seven years ago- it had hit a bridge and had damage in the front right corner, but beside that , it's a very nice car. I've accumulated enough parts now to put it back together, and can drive it with wild abandon, since it has a branded title. Figured it could be my beater Ferrari. The 1987GTB is pretty much a perfect low mile car. Everyone that has a GTS should have a GTB. I think you have one of each too. I've hung onto the GTS's long enough, that NOW they're worth fixing. I paid 19K for the wrecked 328 in 2014. A 30,000 mile car with all records, books, tools, in great shape BUT the damaged front corner. Seems like a bargain today. I'll still be upside down in the cars figuring in my time, but I don't do them for the money- some people golf, I work in my shops.

I owned a shop for twenty years working on these cars, and still after a twenty year change like to work on my own cars. I have three TR's with the engines out of TWo of them right now.

 

It's the only US GTB, 1989 black on black example. I have a black on black US 1989 GTS and there are other black/black 328s from different years, different roofs and different markets.

The reason that car went for STUPID money is because it was owned by Chad McQueen and the mileage was under 10k and the seller is a pretty woman who's father is a well-known Ferrari guru and the buyer had so much money he didn't care that he paid >$100k more than actual market value.

 

Good to know Dave but which is yours ? Are you able to disclose the serial number ? Could you post here some pictures please ?

 

I see, Sheehan talk about GTB yours is a GTS and yes there are several more ...

 

Here's a pic. My car is 80968. It's on the 328 registry.

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As it happens, here's a black/black 1986 GTS for sale right now - https://www.gatewayclassiccars.com/vehicle/FTL/1315/1986-Ferrari-328

A little higher mileage but would make a great driver if it's sorted.

 

Mine is an early (January) 88 and does not have the push button release. That means it was actually built in mid to late 87. Could have been swapped out I guess.

 

According to Service Bulletin 90-10, dated 6/15/88, the change was made starting with car number 75592.

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"A new bonnet is assembled having a new support located on the right hand side instead of the previous left hand side."

So they changed from the button-lock style on the left, to the gas strut on the right, starting at car 75592 in approximately November 87. @rocket50, is your strut on the left or right?

 

I also own a Nero/Nero 1989 328 GTS. In my humble opinion it is the best 328 color combo, and I understand that only a handful of GTS's in this combo were manufactured for the 1989 US market. I had planned on keeping it forever, but if someone offers me $320K tomorrow I just may reconsider.

 

Mine is on the passenger side and my car is 75882

 

Agreed on the price sentiment but clearly the Nero Met/Crema is the best color option available! :-}

 

All of this talk about color is pointless on a GTS. Everyone knows that GTBs are the real thing and the far superior version. GTSs are hairdressers’ cars.

 

It's true

Sig www.pless.com.au/mechanics.htm

 

If only I had any hair left to dress!!