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F1 2022 - News/Regulation change/Developments

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  1. DeSoto

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    Monaco´s value is that it´s different to the other tracks. So different that it doesn´t suit the cars, but it´s not Monaco´s fault that all the other tracks have become centered only in high speed corners and aero dependence.

    Some may say that dropping Monaco would be good for the business. Well, in the first place, as fans we should give a dang about business. But I even doubt it´s good for the business in the long term: yes, it brings easy cash now, but it would reduce the value of the championship, and the weaker F1 is, the faster it will go broke if the easy cash flow stops.

    Probably some thought that Enzo Ferrari´s stubborness about keeping their cars red was stupid: why not taking the cash of a sponsor? Flashforward 40 years and now it´s obvious that the brand value is a lot more important than the money he could have gotten back then.
     
  2. jpalmito

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    I’m not sure formula one cars current size change something about Monaco track evaluation.
    Overtaking on this track has always been impossible.
    I have to say atmosphere on this GP is absolutely unique.( was there numerous times)
    It would be a big mistake not to come to this Grand Prix.
    Why destroy what helped create a legendary championship?
     
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  3. jpalmito

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    +100
     
  4. william

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    Ferrari is like any other teams: it needs sponsors money to race.
    The difference is that Ferrari insisted in keeping control of the advertising display on his cars.
    The Marlboro years were godsend for Ferrari, their colours matched.
     
  5. william

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    The smaller cars of past formulae were more agile at Monaco and could really race and allowed overtaking too.

    Cars so wide, with long wheelbase, and extended aero apendages at the front are far from ideal.

    Monaco could be kept, but outside the championship?
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    It’s an interesting and nice place to be but racing is less than optimal. Zack is correct F1 has outgrown the circuit. Make it an F1 Challenge race with sports cars used by makers each year and rotate the makes driven. Too easy. No F1 points but donates money to charity etc. there are ways to make this work and interesting. F1 though is done there
     
  7. jgonzalesm6

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  8. Mitch Alsup

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    Getting rid of the last place to pass..........
     
  9. Mitch Alsup

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    While I agree that F1 should treat every track as equal,
    I disagree that any track should have to pay more than $10M to host a race.
     
  10. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    When I think of 'sustainable' the fee's are clearly not. No different than Bernie, Liberty look for low cost solutions and charge a high fee. Necessary for Government money in many cases needed. Sustainable lol.......is not a word that should be in the same sentence as Liberty or F1. Yet here we are for this season again.........
     
  11. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

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  12. ZeptoLira

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    Monaco is unique and interesting, but the reasons are becoming outdated.
    Few real passes anymore. After Q3, you could predict the podium.
    Drivers complain about run offs of gravel traps vs grass vs cement. No such issue here, oddly no complaints.
    Royalty is nice, but royalty with Billions of (pick your) currency is nicer.
    Monaco can afford the licensing fee to F1.
    All of Monaco can fit comfortably inside NYC's Central Park. Central Park is better venue. NYC declined years ago.
    Singapore, Miami, Las Vegas - All city circuits.
    Vegas has 3x more hotel ROOMS than Monaco has RESIDENTS.
    F1: No longer has the Grid Girls, Dont walk the grid often beforehand (on my broadcast), dont interview Prince Albert, no peeks inside the Casinos and definitely no longer shows sunbathers on the deck of yachts. PC. I see more of Monaco from a 10 minute Nico YT tour than a couple hours of F1TV.
    Want to shake up Monaco a bit for the number of drivers who call this 'home'? How about:
    No qualifying: Reverse Grid. Period.
    Run any mode you want.
    No Front or Rear Wing.
    Must have TWO tire changes, not one during the race.
    Instead of a DRS line (useless with no rear wing), have a no passing line before certain turns. If car 1 is ahead of car 2 at the line, car 2 must yield to car 1 for the turn. 2 must follow 1 until after the turn. like DRS, this can be electronic. Avoids divebombing.
    Kimi had it right: finish the race, uh, "early". Walk to Yacht. Watch finish from back deck with drink and appropriate accessories :rolleyes: .
     
  13. DF1

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  14. william

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    It was expected that some teams cannot work with a restricted budget.

    The big spenders (Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren and Red Bull) aren't used to tighten up their belt.
     
  15. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    #415 DF1, Apr 13, 2022
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    Yes but these cost factors one's we are all seeing. Teams cannot just avoid paying shipping fee increases. A majority are pushing for this. I think its not about big teams being at the limit. The cost increases they are all seeing are beyond predicted figures the FIA probably used to coordinate the base budgets.

    So if costs rise and teams are going to penalized with a mechanism for exceeding the budget limit do they not ship the car/parts/ people etc and miss races or show late with fewer parts / people etc.

    Sure the smaller teams can spend less and will most likely be un-competitive but can say they are within the budget. Whats that compared to unlimited budgets? Nothing. Same small teams not really having a chance to win and larger more technically adept teams do. Its hard to see this doing well over the longer term.

    The thought of the limit going down again is a messy dream. In real terms prices and costs increase over time for this series. I would bet a decent in-depth analysis shows this.

    Whatever base line factor is using for a cost increase has probably doubled due to the world economic/inflation/covid disruption/war disruption. None predicted effectively by the FIA or its financial arm???

    A dynamic series, growing, needs resources to use to continue to expand and modify etc etc. Static fixed budgets will yield static series, certainly not yield innovation we all like to see. Having a larger budget base, not unlimited, has a reasonable argument over time.
     
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  16. william

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    I predicted the budget cap to be another can of worms. It doesn't fail.
     
  17. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Certainly a good aim for this concept. COVID, Ukraine etc did not help in the shorter term. Also we know teams, no matter big or small will find a way to ask for more money lol. We humans have this need to do so lol :)
     
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  18. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/monaco-zero-concerns-over-f1-future-amid-new-contract-talks/9868145/

    Monaco: Zero concerns over F1 future amid new contract talks
    The organisers of the Monaco Grand Prix say they have zero concerns about the future of the Formula 1 race amid talks over a new contract beyond 2022.


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    Monaco has long stood as one of F1's most prestigious events due to its rich history and glamorous image, acting as the original street race on the calendar in 1950.

    But, amid the current expansion of the F1 calendar to include more city events such as Miami and Las Vegas, questions have been raised about Monaco's future, particularly as the race has traditionally not paid a hosting fee.

    F1 CEO and president Stefano Domenicali recently warned that it was "not enough to have a pedigree anymore" for races to keep their place on the calendar, and that the arrival of new events would "force the organisers of traditional grands prix to raise their level of quality".

    Following confirmation that Las Vegas would join the calendar from 2023, McLaren Racing CEO Zak Brown said in an interview with Reuters that he thought Monaco "needs to come up to the same commercial terms as other grands prix" and give thought to its track layout due to the demands of modern cars.

    Monaco's existing contract expires after the 2022 race, but the president of the Automobile Club de Monaco, Michel Boeri, responded to concerns about its future by expressing his confidence that a new contract would be signed as negotiations with F1 continue.

    "I'd like to refer to what has been read in the press, where it is said that we may struggle to keep organising grand prix races beyond the 2022 event, so as early as next year," Boeri said at an event with the marshals ahead of next month's race, according to La Gazette de Monaco.

    "It was implied that the fees required by Liberty [Media] were too excessive for Monaco and the grand prix would no longer be held.

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    "That's untrue. We are still in talks with them and must now seal the deal with a contract.

    "I can guarantee you that the grand prix will keep taking place beyond 2022. I don't know if it will be a three- or five-year contract, but that's a detail."

    F1 is set to hit the 24-race limit in the Concorde Agreement next year with the addition of races in Las Vegas and Qatar, as well as a possible return to China, which has a contract in place until 2025.
     
  19. william

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    We already see how teams grossly inflate (IMO) the cost of accident to claim more money to boost their budget.
    It will be interesting to see how the FIA will resist that.
     
  20. Temerian

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    I agree with all who believe that the racing at Monaco is less than ideal but would hate to see it disappear from the calendar. It is probably the most distinctive venue of all the tracks- one can recognize Monaco from any camera angle on the circuit. F
     
  21. Temerian

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    Sorry- I hit the wrong button. the last line was going to be F1 without Monaco would be like Major League Baseball without Fenway Park (and I'm sure our European friends can name a dozen football pitches as well).
     
  22. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Having it cancelled during COVID was hardly noticed. F1 survived well without Monaco. Thats a simple fact.
     
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  23. william

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    The problem isn't Monaco which is a great place, but the cars we have, that are now completely inadequate for that circuit.
     
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    True
     
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  25. paulchua

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    Though I'm sure blasphemous to many, would any route changes help? I really don't know.
     

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