So you are looing to mix a dumbbell pullover will with a tricep extension. Those are different exercises and pullovers are a finisher after tricep workouts. At least that is what I do. And yes, I can easily do pullovers in sets of 10 with 100. And yes, I can stretch all the way down; I could set the dumbbell down on the ground if I wanted to. I am not against compound exercises, I do many and the most common power moves are very complex compound moves.
You mean a traditional pullover? That’s actually an old school upper back movement. Bodybuilders used to do it as they thought it would “ expand their ribcage”. There is some triceps movement involved, but that should be very minor. If it takes up the bulk of the load, you’re doing it not correct. Then you should substitute it indeed for skullcrushers. The correct/better form for skullcrushers is indeed going for that stretch. It doesn’t turn into a pullover. Just try it for yourself and focus on the movement. That’s they key here with all three videos. Focus on the movement; not moving the weight. Those are two distinct things. As is weight being used. The weight is merely a tool if you want to build muscle. If your focus is powerlifting than the discussion changes of course. It’s a fault 99,99% of most gyms rats. They focus on improving the weight. Your focus should be on improving the movement; then the weight automatically changes as well. Focus on getter ‘ beter’; not stronger if indeed muscle growth is the key. However most people in gyms these days train like they want to be a powerlifter yet aspire an athlete’s physique. Don’t get me wrong here, not trying to add critique just giving my 2 cents and trying to dot your i’s.
Except a dumbbell pullover doesn't work the back at all and there is no way it could do that. Primary muscle groups are lats and serratus. It also works 1 of the 3 tricep muscles so it hits to very upper part of the tricep. There is some pec as well but I don't really feel it that much myself, though I could pull to that group if I wanted to I guess. Just like saying that rotating at the shoulder works the tricep (it does but only minimally), you are wrong about this too. I will post a vid of me doing some 100lb dumbbell pullovers if/when I hit them again next week. Last night I was doing OHP as the main course for a shoulder workout. There are a lot of other things mixed in and a bunch of back and auxiliary work to offset. OHP is very challenging because it is such a complex move and takes so much stability and balance from other muscles. It has taken a while but I sent 125 for 2x2 last night, with reps in reserve, so I think the 135 is in the bag now. In fact, the 2nd set was so strong it was obvious I could have sent 145 and maybe 155. I am FINALLY going to punch through that 135 barrier. And yes, it is easy to default to the chest with OHP. I don't lean back, instead of chest I am working shoulders and tricep. I was finishing the workout with 80lb upright rows mixed with heavy face pulls. Then some core to cool down. It was a great workout. If anyone is interested, I will share some of my session sequences. The sequences are never the same; I don't think I have ever done the same workout twice. My trainer is great at mixing it up but he is super contentious about staying safe and not hurting myself. At 60 (soon to be 61) I don't recover as quickly as I once did.
As long as you feel the primary muscles you’re good to go. But let’s agree to disagree here on angels and motions. A simple face to face workout would typically show you what I mean… With professional body builders we never had discussions about “ how much can you bench” . It was more about what the volume was for a muscle group, sets and reps and intensity. No one cared about the weight used. I’ve seen many horrible injuries happen when too much weight was involved and it scared the **** out of me as those left a lot of lifters crippled for life. Fortunately there are multiple ways to skin a cat, it’s not one solution fits all. I really hope you don’t focus too much on weights used as it is but one small variable with resistance training. 99% of people in the gym feel like muscle weight = more muscle. It’s generally the opposite. The weight is merely a tool. I’ve benched 400 pounds for 10 reps, but looked beter when I could only only bench that weight for 1 rep. Let alone feeling injury free (as much as I can be with old injuries)for years now since I dropped the whole “ I need to move as much weight as I can.” My main goal was always to max out each and every machine in any gym I went to. I could in the end… but at what cost… partial tore my back, dislocated few discs in my back, crooked hip, partially tore my brachialis. I’m older but smarter now and want to remain fit/in shape for an eternity. And yes, I can still kick guys half my age ass in the gym….
I agree on injury free and yes, a max rep has to be built on a strong base of volume (much like a pyramid). For example, I am never going to pull a 500 lb deadlift and I don't really care if I do. I like looking good and moving some respectable weights is a nice side benefit. I tell friends who are starting out (most are older) that they should focus on core and legs because that will improve their quality of life; the upper body is for show (not 100% true but mostly true).
Agreed. Strong abs really can almost prevent low back issues which most men suffer from. Then focus on mobility and exercises that ‘move the body through space’ like squats and pull ups. The whole ‘ free weights are beter than machines’ is out dated as the majority of lifters would benefit from a fixed plane of movement. Free weights are beter is pure bro science.
Speaking as a powerlifter who has won a few meets for my age and weight group, I don't know where you get your information from, however all of the small muscle groups used in controlling and balancing free weights are what is missing from training on machines alone. A proper mix of free weights and machines and floor exercises will produce the best results.
From a host of well known trainers, professional body builders including several mr olympians..... However I do make the distinct difference between training for strength and training for muscle building. My point is not that machines are better, it's simply that machine's are not as useless as they once deemed to be. A balanced mix would always be preferred. As mentioned in my post, moving your body trough space, aka the pull ups, squats and deadlifts are yet to be equalled. Yet, I'm sure you'll also agree, especially as a powerlifter, how few people in a gym know how to use proper form. And I'll be the first to agree, proper form has become my pet peeve as I have seen many friends, including my friend (yes, not name dropping here!) Ronnie Coleman undergo various surgeries, hospitalized and in a wheel chair. So If I can prevent someone from a terrible injury, I will try. I personally also had to learn the hard way...
damn, keep up the great work. I can only wish to be as fit as you. Appreciate the updates, gives guys like me inspiration.
Great video for us older lifters. Mind you, this person is not an Instagrammer, but an actual doctor...!
Sure, and this is definitely focused on the masses. For the masses, he is correct. If you want to be that strong in your 60's and gain strength, it takes dedication and time, It doesn't happen overnight. You have to build a solid base like a pyramid; you need big volume at the lower levels to support the bigger numbers. If you are doing that, there is no reason you can't have significant gains. For example, today I put up a 135 OHP (video to come when my trainer sends it to me). Does that mean I did number by pushed every time to get a new PR? Absolutely not. I did a ton of volume to build the base. AND I agree that not everyone has the commitment or genetics to achieve significant gains at older ages. But yes, we do focus on not getting an injury. I was doing 60 lb dumbbell military pause reps (3 sec pause) as a finisher (along with a bunch of other stuff). I bailed on the first launch because I didn't like the positioning and the injury isn't worth it. It is all about listening to your body and pushing for what is actually possible.
I guess I should add that at 60 (61 in July) I am in the best shape of my life and stronger than I have ever been.
These are inded guidelines and not set in stone. It's about knowing what the scale is on how to construct your training. It all harkens back to listening to your body; as it never lies. few actually do so; at any age. With age should come winsdom and knowing indeed it might be smarter not to do "stupid stuff" anymore. Some are blessed with amazing genetics, some aren't. Gues i did too much stupid stuff when I was young as chasing PR's for me belongs in the past or I pay a hefty price. Other take away from this video is that anyone, regardless of age can get into shape. That's an amazing positive message for anyone reading these posts and wanting to know if it's worth it to start. It is; at any fitness and age.
I agree 100%. It is worth doing in that it keeps you fully functional. I know plenty of people who say 'I never get down on the floor without a plan to get back up.' First time I hear that I though ??????? What ????? To your other point, I also agree you have to do it enough to have the skills and you have to listen to your body. I was doing 60lb dumbbell military's pause reps after the OHP. I kicked the first one a little too hard so it looked correct but was slightly too far back. As I started to kick the 2nd one up my brain said "NOPE, bad idea" so I pulled them both back down, reset, and started over. It just wasn't worth possibly tearing up my shoulder when I can easily launch them again. That just comes with experience.
Yes, health is not something to take for granted so easily. One truly values it’s worth when it’s too late…. No one ever said “ I’m glad I have a gazillion Ferrari’s” whilst being severely hospitalized…. With age comes experience and hopefully a realization that heavy weights do not equal progress anymore. Usually going slightly lighter but infuse your training with intensity increasing tricks is generally much more demanding.
No doubt about it. My trainer tells me he plans 2x the circuits for me that he does for anyone else, I push hard and I am determined. Like pretty much everything in my life, I push hard to get to win; in this case, against myself (not others) and my goals. He also says he can't do my circuits, he can do the weights easily, but he can't go at my pace. Even in the lifts, you have to decide you are putting it up no matter what. I have more than once had a weight start to overtake me (it would stop progress in the motion and drop back some) but I refuse to lose and push it up anyway. That is another thing he isn't used to seeing; once a weight (say bench press) stops forward progress and starts back toward you it NEVER goes back up again. That is were determination makes the difference. Set your goals and don't let anything stop you from making them.
You need motivation to start, determination (discipline) keeps you going! Oh and sometimes a scale/mirror check as well. I still remember seeing my bicep vein pop 30 years ago ;-)
As long as it is done with good form it’s OK. As long as you don’t force the rep just to make it. Good form is crucial not to get injured. If you fail half way a rep, that’s OK as well. Books and studies have been written on perhaps not going to failure and increasing overall volume…. You know your body best. Discipline is learned, not given.
For the sake of information, here’s my current split whilst recovering from a semi torn brachialis. Mon - chest & back + shoulders (60% chest - 40% back) Wed - legs - focus on quads + calves and abs Friday - chest + back + shoulders (40% chest + 60% back) Saturday - arms + abs Sunday - legs (hamstring focus) + calves I vary sets and reps a bit depending on how I feel, recovered or how busy I am. Generally it’s 12 sets per muscle group excluding warm up sets. Calves and abs are generally 4 sets. I try to do some cardio on Tuesdays.
Sent up the 135 OHP for two singles last night. Funny how once you clip that new PR it feels easier. Today was arms and had done a TON of stuff. Finished out with weighted dips (75lb on the belt) for 6. Pretty happy with that.
Ton of neural adaptation is responsible for that new threshold. Once indeed you clip it, t becomes easier. I generally like to finish most muscle groups with some kind of higher rep drop set to get maximum pump.