812 Replacement Rumors

Ferrari chose GPF. They have the design chops to pass without it but they didn't. On the way to full electric why bother engineering great sound when the next offering will be so quiet. It is a false argument to say there is no difference with GPF over any rev range. The 812c sounds like crap with it as well.

 

Isn't it the mule for the replacement for the GTC 4 Lusso ?

Daniel

 

GTC4Lusso replacement is the Purosangue, and the mule and preseries models are already roaming the streets of Maranello. So nothing to do with this particular car, which according to Day355 is the mule for the 812 replacement.

 

sounds like a turbocharged v12

 

Really? How? I hope you don't suggest port injection.

 

As a reminder, they need none of it here. They also have the best engine designers and builders on the planet. Its been discussed here before. They made a choice to electrify and not spend money to make the rest of their product line displeasing.

 

You hit the sweet spot, they're just doing business by looking at the stock price and knowing the badge is enough to sell.
So they'll fetch the highest margin at the expense of the rest, with 110k per car sold.
Imagine that there are people who are ready to wait 3 years to spend 400 k on a V6 TT Hybrid that will be worth nothing in 10 years !
You know what this myth has become is crying.

 

So again, keep your V12's ;-)

 

Electrification is a) inevitable and b) more expensive than just making a non-GPF US market model. All manufacturers turn to hybridisation anyway.

 

Why do you think they will be worthless, because the tech will be outdated on or because petrol / gasoline powered cars will be outlawed?

 

Could be due to this: When out of warranty could be too expensive to keep running (costs to replace battery pack, inverter, electric motors, etc)

 

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Autocar says that this mule is clearly in the very early stages of development, given it wears a modified Ferrari Roma body shell. They referred that a full prototype is not expected to hit the roads until after the reveal of the eagerly anticipated Ferrari Purosangue SUV later this year.

 

So, likely will miss the expected "reveal" end of 2023 and be later 2024? If so, then production commences 6 months after putting it in CY2025 (calendar year), however, if hybrid, given recent history, production is 12-18 months after reveal, so if hybrid and reveal in Q3-2024 it seems it would be entering production late CY2025 or early CY2026?

I know test mule currently has no electrical warning tags, but those may be coming in later iterations?

Just the same, why a "modified Roma" shell, does that "tell us" anything other than they want us to be confused on the final form? Why not simply use an 812SF body?

 

Thinking out loud here;

I think they’d use a Roma shell/electrics base since it would make sense that the 812 replacement would use the same electrical components/wiring/hard points and even perhaps some structural chassis similarities, so it would be easier to modify a Roma rather than an 812.. again just thinking out loud.

Or they know car paparazzis are there and getting a new prototype is great to generate a media buzz and spike the stock price?


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Good questions

 

Because what hybridization takes away the soul of a Ferrari, namely its engine.
Because it is an artificial car, and like everything artificial and digital at Ferrari, it will have no value, especially in a second-hand market where the buyer will have to pay 100k to change the batteries...
Because it is not a car for enthusiasts, but for consumers, and I say this with the greatest respect for future owners, but it is a fact. No one will renovate this type of car because the costs will be enormous and the technology obsolete... You are rebuilding a V 12 NA, but certainly not a V6 TT hybrid!
Because digital is losing Ferrari faster than it imagines.
Because when these cars do not find customers in 10 years, we will understand that unlike the cars that built the myth, it is a consumable product, then disposable.

 

The Roma utilises the new Ferrari platform, so it is a suitable test bed for the new V12.

Nonsense.
Why would hybridisation take away Ferrari's soul? Aren't the LaFerrari and the SF90 Stradale good Ferraris? Laughable! They are the best road Ferraris ever!
Second hand market... the market that pays 50 millions for a relic like the 250 GTO? These people don't buy a car, they buy a collectable item, like a painting. Nothing to do with its actual engineering importance. If a 250 GTO costs 50 millions, an ex Schumacher F2004 should cost at least 500 millions!!!
The same malarkey as always, "The last Ferrari was the 250, then the 275, then the 365, then the F40, then the F50", rinse and repeat.
It gets tiresome when people don't get progress and get stuck in the past.

 

I think just like art collecting, it is a common mistake to buy the right artist but the wrong work, what a ultra rare flagship model like the 250 GTO or LaFerrari does not necessarily translate into mass produced models. This is especially true for cars relative to art, as cars are for the most part a tool, so as they age their utilitarian value decreases, so the ones that will end up having value in the long term will have to carry more than just the sum of its parts.

 

You have a "simplistic" vision of the automobile and more particularly of Ferrari!
For you, it all comes down to 0 - 100 km/h in a straight line, with as much hp as possible, even though it's unusable in reality.
Maybe it's time you understood that a successful Ferrari is one that satisfies the pleasure of the 5 senses, and not a technical performance!
The shade is maybe a little too subtle?

 

I never mentioned 0-100. I specifically mentioned progress, be it drivability, feedback, safety, ecology, and yes, general performance too.

 

Best you buy a Tesla as it seems to tick all your boxes

 

This is not a typical Ferrari owner response.
Out of interest what Ferrari do you currently own ?