A Dino tool kit and jack

just sold on BaT for $20,500. It was a fun auction to watch, with lots of bidding and interest.

 

Second in as many weeks…

Last week kit sold for $13k from Shaughnessy

This week by 6Carb (aka Theo Winstone), both legit and authentic pieces

 

Any reason for the 7k difference?

 

Good question…

I will defer back to the value thread from….

 

I stopped at $16K (and even that was hard to justify)

 

A fool and his money!!

 

Two fools; fortunately, Shawn talked me off the cliff.

 

To me these tools are mostly obsolete and useless and there are better choices in tools if you decide to work on your car. They just give you more bragging rights at Ferrari Club gatherings and concourse lawns if the you show the car competitively. As for the jack, yes you need that. I had a beautiful tool kit for my 12 cylinder car, it was hidden in my garage for fear of being stolen or getting damaged. Never used it once.

 

Jon, you may have just described our entire hobby. When a car costs upwards of a half million dollars, I have to remind myself that it's a hobby.

 

Yeah, the increasing values of these cars is starting to make me feel a little strange driving mine, even with insurance. Which itself is only getting more expensive. It makes me think fondly of driving my MGs before I sold them to buy the Dino. Cheap fun, no worries.

 

I watched the auction for that tool kit

it inspired me to go find the kit for my car - which i did - it also had me discover the binder that Sotheby's had put together for my car

some context - my car had run thru Sotheby's in 2015 - I did not buy it there - I bought in 2018 out of NY

but in that binder I realized there was so much documentation - original titles - service reports - appraisals - what i think is a Massini report with history

I was so excited when I got the car that I just put all that stuff in a safe place and drove the car - the jack - belts - the leather owners book with manuals and service cards - people really went out of their way to document the miles - the car has like 21k original miles now

this is a long wind up to ask ... where can I buy a small screw driver - that's what is missing from my original set

I should look in the car, shouldn't I...

but if I can't find it - how much am I looking at -

I will check the where to find thread - but any immediate thoughts are welcome -

 

Theo, the seller on BaT, has them listed for $1K on EBay as I recall.

 

yeah they are the long one - i need the shorty

 

I have never considered using my jack having read several opinions to the contrary because of a slip, rotation in the receiving hole and a crushed door skin. I only use a floor Jack with a large steel pad to distribute the force.

And yes, these tools are all low quality suitable only for display on the show field. So, they are necessary. Otherwise, they are kept safely in the gun vault.

Re: small screwdriver for $1000. I wonder if we will ever see people breaking the sets to sell the items individually for greater profit? It sounds abhorrent but I bet it will happen someday.

 

I've never been able to understand why someone would spend hundreds, let alone (tens of) thousands on what essentially are '60s/'70s equivalent of Harbor Freight type junk, especially if or when their car often has other obvious judging score affecting detail inaccuracies or shortcomings, not to mention glaring mechanical/technical issues/problems.

I could ALMOST(?) understand acquiring/adding OEM tool set to a car missing them, if there was absolutely NOTHING else to correct or improve on the car itself.
But would I spend thousands or more on one ? Absolutely not, since it wouldn’t make my car handle or perform better and I’d rather have good, useful tools with me.

And let’s not forget, having an original set won’t give you any extra points over a equivalently complete reproduction one during IAC/PFA judging guidelines (if that’s what you’re after).

OTOH, there are countless other common sense defying things people do in this world …

AFAIK, this ^^ has been happening for as long as I’ve been in this hobby (40+ years).
Where do you think all those incomplete or mix- matched tool kits come from ?
While I haven’t been to swap meets for 2+ decades, there used to be (and probably still is) vendors specializing selling nothing but individual OEM jacks, tools, etc for all kinds of vintage cars, including Ferraris.

 

All things Dino are expensive; original key fobs will set you back $1,500 to $2,000– but they are cool to have.

 

I guess, but will such trinkets affect cars long distance* (= Grand Touring/Gran Turismo) drivability or enhance its performance ?
Unless my car(s) came with such, I would rather put “that” money toward fresh tires, fuel and/or accommodations for extended week/-end road trip in said car(s).

* Perhaps it’s me, but I’ve always been under the impression that “GT” cars are/were made & intended for long distance, leisure travel.

 

With respect to "why would someone want to have those junk tools," there are many things on a Dino that could be improved upon right now, but would you do that simply to make it a "better" "Dino"? For example, you COULD but different wheels on it. You COULD put different headlight assemblies in it (think LEDs). You COULD put a hot Honda engine/transaxle that has more horsepower AND is lighter than the 2.4 litre 65° V6 in it, you COULD put Vintage Air in it, you COULD put a front lift system in it, and you COULD attach a Porsche GT3 wing on it, or better yet, a Porsche WHALE-TAIL!

Of course I am exaggerating, but it has pretty much been a fact that since at least the late 1980s that most owners would like to have their cars have, as much as possible, original tools and manuals, etc. PLEASE note that this desire is certainly not unique to the Dino - Porsche owners, Jaguar owners, Austin-Healey owners, early BMW and Mercedes owners, and just about every owner of all other brands of sports cars, wants the same.

And again, of course, there are many interesting exceptions, such as how John Corbani (RiP) modified his Dino, but remember, his Dino had several problems and issues that he had to deal with from when he first purchased it.

I would expect that every owner here would like to have a complete Dino tool kit to accompany his own Dino, but if he does ANY work on his own Dino, he will undoubtedly use his best Snap-On, Beta, or whatever-have-you tools to work on it, and God forbid if you ever REALLY have to use the Dino jack. Unfortunately, I have had to use a Dino jack 3 times - one time in the middle of Montana, because it is pretty hard to haul around a low profile floor jack in a Dino trunk.

That is not to say whether original tool kits are reasonably priced now or not - but the same thing can be said about the price of Dinos themselves now. If Dinos have gone up 2 to 7 or 8 times (which they have since I bought my first Dino), the first tool kit I bought cost me about $1600. And the the second and third I bought cost $2500 and $3000 in the late 1990s/early 2000s, so I don't think the current prices for correct and original tool kits are excessive.

But original key fobs and original yellow tack cloths? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

One other thing - if any Dino owner wants to dump his crummy Dino tool kit or Dino books, please PM me. I will be happy to send you a set of the appropriately sized Craftsmen or Snap-On tools as replacements.

 

After these (crazy) prices as of late, the Dino tool market has gone bonkers, and you will never
find a decent tool set, or tools or anything related to Dino tool kit, Key fobs, Jacks? Sure.
Possibly if you go to where I live and find someone that has not seen BaT, you might get a steal

Regards, Alberto

 

Jack at $1000
no affiliation
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/rare-oem-battaini-jack-from-1972-ferrari-dino-246-gt-with-lug-wrench-and-case/

 

Absolutely ridiculous, " unrestored condition " means in a sorry state and falling apart. Just because it's for a Dino does't mean the price and condition should be so outrageous. I have a Battaini jack form the same era for another Italian car and i paid $150.00 for it. Battaini made jacks for many cars and all are more or less the same and have the same quality.

 

That jack is not falling apart.

A $150 jack for a Fiat or Alfa has no bearing on the value of a rare and correct Dino jack.


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