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Hamilton deserves more respect

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  1. Phil~

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    I don’t think the setups are his fault. Merc are using him a mule because he is consistent. They ram a different wing this race on his car, just like last race the strapped a few pounds of sensors on his car. They are desperate to fix the issues.
     
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  2. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Maybe …he suffers the comparison… honestly I do hope he turns it around, I don’t like a champion going downhill


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  3. 375+

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    +1 Agree
     
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  4. Bas

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    It really annoyed me. I'm no fan at all of Russell but they barely acknowledged him...just hoping for the DRS to come out so that surely Lewis could overtake, when that came, and he still didn't, all they could do was talk about him and his feelings. If russell was behind him, fine, but their obsession is painful.

    Rosberg at least called them out for it. Rattled an entire fangroup with it at the same time, lol. And he called bs on Toto's radio after the race...
     
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  5. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Agree… Rosberg and Brundle are pretty good to me.
    I usually try and watch French Canal + with Villeneuve but not this week


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  6. werewolf

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    How close was Russell to lapping Hamilton today?
     
  7. jpalmito

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    Agree
    Rossi last year in Moto Gp was painful to watch.
     
  8. Bas

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    54 seconds between them....! That's nearly a second a lap

    To be fair, Rossi has been on a down hill slope since 2016 at least and it just became progressively worse. It takes time or a few years away to drop off like that.
     
  9. jpalmito

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    Villeneuve is just bad.
    Romain Grosjean way better but unfortunately not full time because he is racing in the US.
     
  10. werewolf

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    So ... Hamilton's teammate was about 22~24 seconds away from lapping him; top three drivers did in fact lap him.

    Turns out the new Safety Car rule may indeed benefit Hamilton this season ;) (although not in a way that most would have predicted)
     
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  11. Bas

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    Roughly 15 laps away from being lapped at the pace they where doing.

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    Lewis sounds positively defeated.
     
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  12. Natkingcolebasket69

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    I love jaques so I’m biased…
    Grosjean racing in the USA? Isn’t that call semi retirement lol


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  13. TopspeedPT

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    And? Russell still has ALOT to prove.

    Only 4 races so far and Russell was luckier than Hamilton so far(2 pits before SC, etc).
     
  14. TopspeedPT

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    Recent videos but this was filmed 2-3 years ago.

    Two legends of the sport!
     
  15. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    I personally rate Rossi above Hamilton. No knock on Hamilton but Rossi won everything, on any kind of machinery. He was amazing


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  16. william

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    I think Rossi stayed too long.

    I know he liked racing and retired reluctantly (nobody would offer him a bike anymore), but really his last few years were atrocious.

    I hope Hamilton will see the writting on the wall and retire in time.
     
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  17. Bas

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    Lewis didn't have a 3 year break and is 7 years younger than Schumacher was in 2012 (or 4 years in 2010).

    I know of very few sportsmen that had a successful return after a long initial retirement, especially in the last 30 or so years.
     
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  18. SimCity3

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    Schumacher was retired.

    He came back to help his friends at Mercedes and have a little fun.
    He was many years past his prime but could still be quickest in Monaco quali at a venerable 43 :D
     
  19. MrF355

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    I agree with SimCity, Schumi was back to help Brawn set up the team. You could see in all races how relaxed he was which was different to the focus he had before retirement. I do believe that if he could have tested like he was used to he would have been on the podium more times and had more wins. At 43 he still had it but race preparation is now more play station than on track for hours each day day in day out making small adjustments and seeing how they affect the car. His Monaco pole showed how much he still had it and a lesson to the younger drivers.
     
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  20. Natkingcolebasket69

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    Undeniably good ma valid points but then, at the same time MS when he retired in 05 had 250 starts and 13 years in the sport .
    Lewis is already on year 15 and 292 starts that’s also to be take into consideration.
    Age matters but so does the physical and perhaps mental toll as well.


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  22. Bas

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    But cars today are (far less) violent to drive than back then, so I don't think the extra 48 races will take that much of an extra toll. Stronger power steering (rarely used in the early years of Michael entering, and progressively getting better but really only in mid 2000s), and especially since the hybrid era, races became much more of an endurance rather than a full on sprint. The races before where quite a lot more violent in regards to physicality.

    And then we have the testing, which Schumacher did a frankly insane amount of. In 1998 alone Schumacher did around 20,000 km of testing. That's 66 GP distances. In a single year! And this was normal for him.

    Compare that to the testing we have now (obviously, regulations limits mileage), but Mercedes does roughly 4 to 5000 KMs of testing over a season, spread over 2 drivers. So that's 2500km each.

    Here's an excerpt from a cover on Michael in 1998:
    Too think that, in between all this time he still had to do fitness training (remember, he was the one that completely changed the standard of fitness regime for F1 drivers), get to the races, spend time with his family (to which he was utterly devoted to)...I'm starting to think that Michael somehow found a gap in the universe which allowed for longer days!

    So with all this in mind, I would say that on a physical toll, despite fewer years in the sport and fewer races until his first retirement, I think we can all agree that Michael was physically much more exhausted than Lewis could ever be...

    Mentally, well that'll entirely depend on the person, so I can't speak for that too much. I would say that with much more free time now (no testing), advancements in technology (quieter private jets that can fly longer, for example) and having no direct family (wife or kids) would surely make life a bit more stress-free.

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  23. jpalmito

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    Thank you for posting this.
    People now have forgotten what Schumacher did as hard worker.
    I remember reading the Gazzetta dello sport every week to see where Schumacher and Ferrari were testing ..
     
  24. Natkingcolebasket69

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    That makes sense.
    Michael was a one of a kind.
    I rate him second on my best driver of all time list so not going to argue.
    I think his last comeback was a failure because of
    1-lack of rhythm/motivation
    2-above all his neck injury which I’m not sure he really fully recovered

    Age matters for reflexes etc but I think In his case it wasn’t that. Could be wrong of course


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  25. Bas

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    Actually putting the figures in was quite the wake up call, putting it all in perspective...It really was insane what Michael did at the time. 16 or so races a season, but another 4x that every single year in testing...Very few people can put in this amount of dedication, today or back then, F1 or outside of it...!
     

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