I haven’t yet seen the 296 in person, nor has my sf90 spider come, but when I saw the sf90 Coupe in person for the first time, I couldn’t believe how much better it looked than in pics. Assuming the same for 296 when I see it next month.
For me, 296 looks better in picture. I was disappointed… but who knows if 296 will age btter than any Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
The 296 looks like a baby SF90. Nice, but the 90 far more aggressive in my opinion. Somehow, the 170hp can be imagined…
what are the performance differences between the 2? from what i have seen, they are very close - with maybe the 296 even being faster . wondering what the justification is for the huge price delta......
I highly doubt that the 296 will be faster anywhere. Power to weight is in favour of the SF90 and it has true torque vectoring. The 296 has a worse power to weight ratio than a La Ferrari. It is heavier and has less power, and like the La F, it cannot send power to the front. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Not only that, the SF90 has proven to be even quicker in the real world. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I don't know about you guys but as someone drove SF90 + saw 296 GTB.... It's not even comparable and very easy choice to pick 296 over SF90 for several reasons; 1. Since when Ferrari was about performance numbers + AWD + Heavy + sounds worse than majority of Supercars? That's what SF90 felt like to me..... 2. Remember 458? It's styling until today Special, the reason is Ferrari one of only brands can make a supercar look "Beautiful" than aggressive, SF90 is an aggressive looking car while 296 is Ferrari trademark design of using the word "Beauty" in designing it. 3. Price..... Performance can be beaten but design and experience cannot always, I challenge anyone here that will say SF90 will appreciate well in value. Now don't get me wrong to all owners of SF90 (I also booked one but cancelled just before order submission), the car is great value for money in terms of performance numbers in Ferrari, but compare it to 765LT you will see how bad of a value it's, 765LT is RWD + 300KG lighter + sounds better + limited production + cheaper yet similar performance, add to that the fact majority of collectors said 765LT more fun on track then you wonder what makes SF90 special? It beats LaFerrari after 8 years? Give LaFerrari Cup 2R tyres then we can compare properly. 296GTB however is Ferrari going back to what made 458 one of best ever, it's about being beautiful than aggressive, it's the RWD setup, it's lighter than SF90, it sounds like a mini V12 (even better in person), it's shorter wheelbase, it's made to make you smile than fight against Tesla this or Tesla that, yet alot cheaper than SF90. Now what I truly would love to own, is a 296GTB without the Batteries + weight reduction to below 1300KG! That will be a car I would buy instantly!
I totally agree with your thoughts on a non-electrified 296GTB. I previously posted this comparison on a different thread. I used Google to find dry weights. I looked for consensus, which I why I did not include the F8. I’m not sure why, but there’s a variance of opinion regarding the F8’s dry weight. For anyone who has driven cars, you know how important weight is. It’s impossible to blunt the effect of weight. No amount of electronic sorcery, power/weight ratios, suspension tuning, or advanced tire technology can make fat cars feel thin. 765LT - 2,709lbs STO - 2,951lbs Pista - 3,054lbs 296 GTB - 3,234lbs (in the Assetto Fiorano specification) GT2 RS - 3,241lbs SF90 - 3,461lbs (in the Assetto Fiorano specification) SF90 - 3,527lbs 812 - 3,594lbs I’ll say it again, a hot-rodded 750hp V6, 2900lb dry weight 296GTB would have got my attention, and my dollars. The aforementioned car could have been built.
Two are works of art- one looks like a shoebox. A shoebox with a brick in it falling from a plane is fast- but who wants to see it
My problem with current Hybrids is that there's the problem of extra power fighting the extra weight, and here where it becomes pointless in performance cars and only beneficial for MPG or EV only driving... Examples new GT63S E-Performance have around 200hp more than M5CS but it's only 0.1s faster to 60 after that they are pretty equal, however since it's heavier everything else becomes worse, and with an EV only range of 7 miles is that even worth paying 200K for? Same for Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid losing to Turbo S in every way except 0-60 timing, even though have decent EV range of around 30 miles. So it feels to me technology is not yet ready, it's just too heavy, Ferrari done one of best Hybrid systems out there infact Lambo currently benchmarking SF90 hybrid for their Aventador replacement, but when you downsizing to 2.9L V6 that's so light, it sucks making it heavier just by putting batteries in, I will rather take away the batteries and take advantage of the lighter engine. Where Ferrari should make Hybrids are cars like Purosangue or maybe a variant of Roma where weight is not a huge problem and make a battery free supercars now while they can until batteries become so light that for same amount of power battery tech is lighter than ICE, which might take 3-5 years time to happen.
Not sure why the F8 dry weight should be controversial - the dry weight you quote for the Pista happens to be the official Ferrari kerb weight figure...
I’m getting more and more excited about speccing my SF90 spider. For the money, where else can I be in an open top with potential hypercar speeds, and enveloped in a mixture of glossy and matte carbon fiber. Not sure how long I’ll keep it, but I think it’s gorgeous in person and will be a stunning addition to the garage.
Totally disagree: 1. 296 is ugly to me 2. 6 cylinder 3. 6 cylinder 4. 6 cylinder 5. 6 cylinder If I am paying $450,000 for a car I don’t want no stinking 6 banger. You can keep the new Ford GT too, although it is 1000 times better looking than the 296.
I think the 296 GTS looks nice, not aggressive, but nice. I don't mind the 6 cylinder as much, especially paired to a hybrid as that is what the current F1 cars are running. To me though, there is no comparison. SF90 sits far above the 296. 296 is designed to be fun to drive, SF90 to blow your pants off.
Totally disagree as well. I cannot wrap my head around how you can say it feels heavy. If there ever was,a car that masked its weight, it is the SF90. Interesting that you then mention the 765, because while it does not feel heavy, it gives less feedback than the SF90. Light yes and tight too, but it has the numb McLaren electric steering which offers next to no feedback. To me this is a bigger issue than anything in a drivers car. The 458. Totally subjective obviously. Dated, and not very exciting to look at, much less so to drive compared to the cars following it. Was Ferrari never about speed and performance? Funny. The Pista holds mkre lap records than the GT2RS. However you are right about the Speciale. It never held a record. To me the 458 feels every bit the 12 year old car it is when driven. No thanks. In this regard the SF90 is a lot more playful, and despite its weight, it feels more agile - dare I say it feels lighter on its feet. Sound? Again subjective. I like it. It has some cool things going on. Yes the 458 by comparison is loud, but rather monotone. That said, I do like the sound of the 296. Lap time? You may think the Cup 2 R would be a big deal on the LaF vs. SF90, but reality is that the PZC developed for the LaF is at least as aggressive as the C2R. The SF90 does what it does because it is a more technical advanced car, period. The 296 design is interesting. The GTB has left me totally cold, and as with the 458, the tyre proportions are way off, if not a downright design disaster. The much taller rear tyre makes the rear wheel look much smaller than the front wheel. This isxa problem because it affects the look of the whole car. As much as I don't care for chariot sized wheels, the 296 needs 2q" in the back to look right. The rest of the GTB design is a bit of a hit and miss. It has some good things here and there, and then like the wheels, it has some real blunders. There are some lines up front that are just weird, especially around the headlights. They just don't flow or integrate with anything. It's a bit like the simpleton smiled of the 458. Just off-putting. That said, I'm warming up to the GTS version as it looks much better from the side and rear. I've been told by the few that I know who have driven the 296, that it is very good. It is supposedly a very fun and playful car. I don't doubt this for a second, because this has been something Ferrari has put more focus on in recent times. The F8, the 812, the SF90, are all cars with an emphasis on fun. If this holds true, I can see a 296 GTS sitting next to the SF90. Is itca replacement? Hell no, not even close. That front assist drive is the reason why that car feels 500 kg lighter than it is. Oddly enough, a cars weight can be very deceiving. Take a V10 Huracan Evo 2wd. Lighter than an SF90, but does not feel it. Not sure for how long or where you drove that SF90, but it seems odd that it felt heavy to you. To each their own. Does the V6 bother me? Yes, but less than I thought. If cylinders alone was an indication of what a car is worth and how well it drives, the SVJ should be worth a lot and fun to drive. I think it's worthless and a **** heap to lug around. If that's what it takes to be a supercar, I don't want a supercar. Luckily Ferrari understands this, and thus we have the SF90 and 812. Looking forward to getting behind the wheel of the 296 GTS. Hope it is as good as they say it is. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Whomever complains about the weight or anything else in general about the SF90 has no experience or very little experience with the car, can not secure one, not a car enthusiast or perhaps doesn't have a pulse LOL Arguing about weights, fractions of a second, etc etc. is highly irrelevant, this car is simply mental, it will distort your reality and your perception of what a sports car is. You can justifying it in a million different ways but if you are telling me you don't like the car after experiencing it the proper way you've automatically lost all credibility in my eyes because nobody who enjoys cars even remotely would get out of the car saying they didn't enjoy it. As for comparing it with a 296, I will put it in Porsche terms because that might be a bit more familiar with a larger audience, 918 v 911, you want the big boy car it's the 918 having said that the 911 is a brilliant car but it ain't a 918, same deal here.
How can someone compare 296 to SF90 seriously? It's like comparing 911 to 918 as the previous poster mentioned.
I think that comparison is a stretch. The SF90 and 918 can perhaps be directly compared, but the 918 kinda belong in a segment above the SF90. The 296 however is far above a 911 on every singe point. More special, more expensive, more exclusive, faster, and an actual exotic. Yes the SF90 and 296 are very different, but not THAT different. Perhaps a better comparison is a Cayman GT4 vs. the 992 GT3. They are definitely not as far apart as a 911 and 918. That's giving the 296 less credit than it deserves. Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Just my opinion, and I know I'm not alone on this. My experience is that either you like it or hate it. I'm not talking about the response or input precision. That to me feels VERY tight and on point. What I don't get is feedback through the steering and I don't like that. Again just my take on it. Perhaps that's also a bit of a stretch. I used it in such a way, because I felt it made sense to pull the comparison he made of the 765 and SF90 in the opposite direction. Yes, it annoyed me... Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app
