For whatever reason Ricciardo's stint at Mclaren is failing miserably. We know what he's capable of. We've seen it time and time again. Sure, last year it was moving to a new team and learning how they operate and probably the car didn''t suit him (even though he won a race). I think the new Mclaren has the same characteristics and we've found Ricciardo's limitation ((lack of adaptability). Lando is a super driver but he's not 8 tenths clear on Ricciardo on talent alone. Unfortunately I do think his time is running out rather quickly. I don't see an opportunity of driving at a top team again unless Lewis leaves this year, and I don't see him taking a drive in a mid field team for the sake of it. Ric owns property in the States already and loves it out there, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him move to Indycar. I don't think it'll take very long for him there to settle in and I'm sure he'll be among the most popular drivers there. It'll be good for Indy as well as I think a lot of people from abroad will start watching Indycar.
Could we all agree the "shoe-ie" is overrated? LOL Yes, Riccardo's McLaren stint is so far not so good... for many reasons, with some listed in this thread. I don't know if he is overrated as he has the experience and seems better than some other current holders. Best wishes that he adapts and scores some points this season 2022.
Yes, but I wouldn't read too much into that, altough a win is a win. The Mercedes and the Red Bull had problems. The previous year it was Gasly winning at Monza, still benefiting from circumstances. Neither Alpha Tauri, nor Renault were capable to repeat these one-off performances. But it's good to break the monotomy ...
He's been given chances to get out of the shadows of others. Sadly, he's stayed in the shade. I like him a lot too, so this gives me no pleasure.
He hasn't always been in the shadows...lest you forget... ...at Red Bull vs Vettel and even Verstappen he was ahead. NO OTHER TEAMMATE since has performed at or greater than Max's level, not even Checo. ...at Renault vs Ocon he was ahead. He was only able to land a seat at McLaren and McLaren were repeatedly so eager to poach him coz of the above.
Not really a fair comparison to look at an experienced Ricciardo vs a fairly green Verstappen. Verstappen's experience, ability, and confidence has improved quite a lot since then. All the best, Andrew.
It seems everyone likes RIC, even Drive to Survive! Hmmm, most everyone like the underdog Haas F1 Team, and RIC loves the USA....Hmmmmm. RICCIARDO TO HAAS FOR THE WIN!
You're saying Riccardo was never under the shadow of Ocon and Magnussen? Sure. I just never realized Ocon and Magnussen are giants. In terms of the idea that Ric > Ver? There's a first for everything I guess. You believe Riccardo is better and not in the shadow of Ver. (not even going to touch Vettel) okay...do you also believe the same with Lando?
exactly, that's why Max is a world champion* and Ricardo is not. Hence, back to my original point. A veteran better be faster than a rookie; can you imagine if Zhou was in reverse with Bot? I never heard anybody ever say Ricardo upstages Max (now or in the past.) I have to be missing something.
How did kmag come into the picture? I don't remember him ever being Ric's teammate? JEV from what I remember was evenly matched during their shared time at Toro Rosso...so imo no shadows there. I gave examples where Ric wasn't playing shadow to his respective teammates, and the stats support the examples. Oh and there's also the other Dani, Kvyat lol. Ric wasn't in his shadow either. Whether said teammate was "inexperienced" at the time or not is irrelevant...coz tbh if we open it up more broadly, I can say **** like anyone driving at Ferrari after Schumi is living in his shadow lol. Ric is definitely in Lando's shadow right now, didn't sound like anyone is debating this...I'm actually wondering if this season will be Ric's last if he doesn't put up the numbers.
You're contradicting yourself...Vettel was a vet when Ric came onto RB as the rookie teammate, Vettel got hosed, so...
Huh? Ricardo was not a rookie in 2014, he already had 2 seasons under his belt. As far as Ric overshadowing Vet in the same said year, how can that be given Vet got the contract to Ferrari in OCTOBER! Please don't take this the wrong way, but what draws me to F1 is the math/stats. It's important to keep your dates, years, and numbers right when arguing your point, else....
I owe you an apology, for my error - I meant Nico (not Mag) - you're absolutely right I mixed those two up. You are right here, I'm wrong. Replace Mag with Nico - and re-asses my comment ** If your point is Ricardo didn't play second fiddle in all instances? Sure - but who doesn't have flashes of brilliance in F1? The key is not one race here, part of a season there, but long-lasting. I mean even 4 championships are not sparing Vet today. I have nothing against Ric personally, on the contrary. I love Ricardo as a person, he's probably my favorite driver personality-wise. I root for him. But numbers and stats have no feelings.
Silly season, shoot from the hip division: Piastri to Mclaren, Danny to Aston Martin. Lance comes with the building, pretty sure he's safe. Will Latifi vacate his seat willingly, or does Williams still need their $ to continue?
It breaks my heart, but it is what it is. 2014 Vet gets promoted to Ferrari - Ric has center stage.....but promptly gives it up to who the next year? 2015 Kyvat (need I say more?) 2016-2018 Ver battles - who eventually won that war? Does anybody with a straight face tell me that Max has not roundly taken Ric's spotlight? (deserved or not) 2019 Hul (see above and below) 2020 Sainz (Ric overshadowing Carlos today?) - seems the other way around to me. 2021 Lando 2022 Lando Again, if somebody wants to say that Danny overshadows Hulk (backup driver) and Ocon? Sure. I got no problem with that, yay, you're better than a reserve driver and a midfielder. woo-hoo!
I'm happy for him. Some folks $$$ > glory. #NOjudgements. I made a simple claim, Ric seems consistently stuck in some other's drivers' shadows. Some folks seemed to disagree with that observation. All good, all in good fun. This is why I love Stephen A Smith.
Your logic makes no sense to me…fact of the matter was Vettel was beaten by Ric on his debut season w RB, full stop. Vettel drove the full season w RB, not sure how the signing w Ferrari impacts the stats for the season? Is there a signing wdc point discount code in F1 I’m not aware of lol. And I think you’ve gone off on a tangent…original comment was about being in the shadow of his teammates…not former teammates ie when both ric and said mate were on the same team at the same time, not before, not after, just during…
Max is a once in a generation talent. He is driving at his peak and will destroy any teammate(and not via contractual obligation).
Yep, RB is definitely team Verstappen. At least as long as they are successful ... I have no qualm about that; it worked for years at Ferrari, then Mercedes.
Yep. A driver new to a team shouldn't go round beating their established driver, especially their fresh WDC. Or their 4x champion, for that matter. Ricciardo is definitely no slouch and hasn't lost any talent. But for whatever reason he just can't get on top of Mclaren's cars. It definitely doesn't help him that Norris is on absolute top form.
