Advice on registering car, NY to GA... TAVT vs Montana registration

Florida is leading the nation in easy. I really like the fact that I can register for 2 years at a time.

 

I was born and raised in Montana. I lived there when I bought my 308 so I registered it there; it has a Montana vintage plate. Why? Because I actually was a resident. Those who aren’t, shouldn’t.

 

We also shouldn't pay the taxes we all do...This is what drove this completely legal way of avoiding tax, whilst paying an attorney from your state, and other fees collected by your state. Therefore I don't see why this offends you.

 

Please. Don’t say you’re doing it for Montana….You don’t need an attorney. I personally formed a Montana LLC because I needed it to fly for a private individual whose airplane was in Montana. I closed it when I left. Why…because I moved.

You pay, what $50 or so for registration? I think I paid $48 for my 308. Montana would have survived without the $48; the growth in towns like Bozeman, Kalispell, Whitefish and Missoula is insane. I bought my house for $204,000; it sold for $430,000 seven years later. Crazy growth.

I’m not getting into a flame war here. Do what you think is right and not because the police won’t “target” you.

 

I didn't say "I'm doing it for Montana". I'm simply pointing out that doing the Montana LLC thing isn't impacting Montana adversely, and is contributing to an attorney or agency within the state. So for you, a Montana native, I am uncertain as to why this would offend you.

Aside from that, I work hard for my money, I own multi family real estate, I pay hundreds of thousands a year in various taxes. I then pay taxes again on purchases. I paid taxes on my vehicles already...I was simply seeking options and advice on how to curb this and what the repercussions could be. Many on here were very helpful and persuaded me to just pay the GA taxes and move on. You however, came here to scold me.

 

lol, Montana allows this because it is profitable for them to do so.

corporations should no longer register in delaware...............

 

Lol...Thank you

 

It’s not Montanas fault or the fault of people who decide to legally register their cars there. It is the fault of the individual states who decide to abuse their residents and rake them over the coals with unnecessary and absurdly high recurring taxes (like Virginia) that forces discerning and resourceful taxpayers to seek alternatives for legally reducing their tax burden, and Montana offers such an option.

Went to an FCA event a few months back. 75% of the cars were registered in Montana. I made a joke that it was so good to meet a bunch of Montanans. Everyone had a pretty good laugh.

 

I think whether or not it is legal to register your car in Montana depends on the laws of the state in which you live and garage your car.

For example, I live in Massachusetts and garage both my Ferraris here. If I were to register the cars in Montana, I would be violating Massachusetts law.

I'm curious, in which states do they allow you to live and garage your car(s) and yet legally register them in Montana, or any other state?

 

Become a Legal Montana Resident for $109,500.

Who cares that you and 500 of your friends also live at the same address.

And I get the top bunk!

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/315-Custer-St_Wolf-Point_MT_59201_M88698-64555?ex=2934938628

 

Tell that to your state bureaucrats and lawyers who are raking in the dough.


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Don’t drop the soap.


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Just FYI. It is 100% legal to register a car in Montana. The problem is when you park a Montana registered car in your garage in another state. That state has laws saying you must re-register your car in your resident state.

This all started with golf pros. A pro buys a bus for $500,000 and registers it in Montana to avoid sales taxes and annual fees. He then drives it here and there while on the tour. When the tour ends, the pro drops it at a facility to get it ready for next year. After living in the damn thing for nine months, the last thing he wants to do is drive it some more. This is 100% legal.

Now, let’s say you rob a bank, a lot of banks, and come up with the dough to buy a 250 GTO. You register it in Montana, but keep the car covered in plastic, up on blocks, outside your mobile home in Itch and Scratch, Texas. Son, you have a heep of problems.

Here’s the good news. For a small fee, and the keys, I’ll be happy to keep your GTO or F40 in Texas. I’ll even put it in a garage. Just be sure to call before you come. It might be embarrassing otherwise.

You laugh. I remember seeing a boat owned by the CEO of Caterpillar in St. Thomas in the ‘70s. It was painted yellow of course. Full crew, gassed, even the air tanks were fresh. Just remember, for a small fee…


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Yes, but you wouldn’t be registering the cars in Montana… your LLC would be. Under the Montana system that has become infamous, Individuals do not register vehicles in Montana, only LLCs do.
There is existing case law which a state supreme court threw out a major lawsuit brought by a state where the state sued a resident of a motor home registered in a Montana LLC trying to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars in penalties and back taxes. The court ruled that finding the resident guilty would upend the entire concept and system of LLCs in the United States. The state was basically trying to recoup taxes from an out of state LLC and while their resident was a member of the LLC, ruling in favor of the state would have basically negated ALL existing LLCs nationwide and not just the tiny percentage of Montana LLCs for auto registration. An LLC is an LLC and there’s nothing that can be done about it without destroying the whole concept of LLCs writ large.

In response and Given the fact that this is completely legal and there is little states can do to stop it, a small number of states (like Georgia and some others) have passed laws that forbid their citizens from creating an out of state LLC for the sole purpose of registering vehicles.

 

The thing is, even though when I was moving here it was nowhere near the scale of taxes that Marc will be up against, it still pissed me off to no end. Even though I'm close to TN, I even considered moving over the TN line...BUT I just couldn't get the house there that I could here for the money....Cost of living, sales tax, etc. was way higher for the lifestyle I wanted (which is pretty modest). Not even a comparison, even with the lack of state income tax. In the end, Georgia was worth gritting my teeth, bending over and just paying the tax. Anyone is more than welcome to sell their cars prior to moving...but then you'll just pay tax on the new ones.

You also get credit for trading in, since it's property tax rather than sales. In Ohio, you paid sales tax on a car and that money was GONE. And if you traded in, you still pay sales tax on the whole purchase no matter what you traded in. Yeah, you could fudge the price in the title for a private sale but they cracked down on that too.

 

Double taxing is absolutely ridiculous.

Same as when you have to pay sales tax on a used car. That item was already taxes once. But I guess we need to fund washington and their suites.

 

Sales tax is a state thing, not a Federal tax. It stays within the state.

 

Yes. Ok so expand Washington and local governments suites. And don't states send $ to the feds?