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I blame Bianchi's family

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    After his death which was caused by him not following the rules from race control, his family sued F1. Ever since the sport became a bunch of wussies. At the onset of a drop of rain the SC comes out, then the red flag.

    They have ruined the sport.
     
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  2. Shorn355

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    Don't hate the players- hate the game.

    There should not be any "family" lawsuits allowed in iheritantly dangerous sports- every driver knows what they are signing up for and do it willingly and their "families" profit from it and probably funded it- if your kid gets run over crossing the street by a city bus because the brakes failed that's one thing- suing a racing entity because your kid dies willingly partaking in a dangerous (but hyper-profitable) sport is another.
     
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  3. william

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    Where there is money, there is greed.

    Behind the "family", you have the lawyers who probably made up with most of the payout.

    Running behind ambulances is still common in the legal profession.
     
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  4. SS454

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    I agreed with not racing when they first went out behind the SC. There was a LOT of water. The cars are much lower than before, and reduced mechanical grip from the hotwheels tires. But once the rain stopped the puddles dissipated quickly and there was no reason not to get the SC out there and get a feel for it, and start the race shortly after.
     
  5. Bas

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    Had they started on time it wouldn't be an issue. The cars would be driving and clearing the track.
     
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  6. DeSoto

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    Today the start was delayed because the start lights had a shortcut with the rain. **** happens, but in F1 **** is happening often.

    I blame the Bianchi issue on FIA's incompetence. It's not the first time lawyers get involved in racing and live went on. But now it's different. Everybody can make a bad call from time to time, but they're screwing it up almost every race, and they're inconsistent when not biased, or just corrupt. Nobody trusts them, hence when something happens someone always feels entitled to question them.
     
  7. Giallo 550

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    Maybe if they weren't negligent in leaving the crane parked where someone could go off and under it, Bianchi would still be alive.
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

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    The crane wasn't parked. It was removing Sutils car that also went off in the same area.

    Maybe, just maybe, JB should have slowed down due to the VSC. JB hit that mobile-crane at over 100g's. Laws of physics dictate "an unstoppable force hits an immovable object" when it comes to mass of the mobile-crane vs the mass and speed of the F1 car at that time of formula.
     
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  9. pilotoCS

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    99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
     
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  10. nsxrebel

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    Funny how some people have selective memory. It was Jules who was the negligent one in not slowing down.
     
  11. william

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    I didn't mean my comment to be a slur all the lawyers.

    Hell, I am married to one !!
     
  12. Giallo 550

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    I just rewatched and you're 100% right. No case, as far as I'm concerned.
     
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  13. Giallo 550

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    I missed that race, read about what happened after the crash, and just watched it. It was 100% Bianchi's fault.
     
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  14. jjmalez

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    His death is why the stewards deploy the "safety car" any time a Formula 1 driver has spun, crashed, had a tyre puncture or had their engine done blow'd up on or off the track.

    ******* < rhymes with "wussies"
     
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  15. Jack-the-lad

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    He was definitely over driving for conditions, but a lot of people just accepted the emotional, “poor unfortunate Lucien was a victim of track mismanagement” conclusion. That sounds harsh, but sometimes the truth is just that. F1, FIA, et al, also over reacted. I’m not sure the inquiry placed any blame where it belonged.
     
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  16. tifosi12

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    Put simply: If he had followed the rules, which is stay within a certain speed limit under the VSC he would not have gone off and lived.

    F1 and FIA totally overreacted, absolutely agreed.

    That said, having a crane "on the track" (well, it wasn't on the track but in the run-off area) should be reason for concern*. Throwing red flags for that I'm ok with. In fact red flags are somewhat entertaining as you get another start etc.

    What pisses me off to no end is the wussy attitude displayed in Spa last year (where granted it was a deluge of water) and more so now at the Monaco GP where there was no reason not to start the race once everybody was on wets. Sitting there with a "suspended" and then "delayed" start because it was raining was just purely idiotic. Brundle said it best sarcastically: Why not move the race to Monday?

    I'm all for safety measures but F1 is an outdoor sport that used to be proud to do it in all weather conditions (unlike some other racing forms, ahem). But apparently not anymore and that's really disheartening.

    *I remember the rain chaos in the Brazilian GP where MSC slid off the track and hit the barriers. He got super lucky that he didn't get decapitated because he slid underneath one of these construction machines which was still there in the corner from a previous accident.
     
  17. william

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    Red flags penalise the leaders and advantage the back markers. That's my main objection.
     
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    True. As do safety cars. But you have to do something to "neutralize" the field.
     
  19. william

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    I undersnand that you have to neutralise the field in the zone where the accident occured, but not over the whole course.

    Just impose a single lane with a speed limit strictly enforced and no overtaking (nor weaving!) in that zone only.

    Anyone going above the speed limit (80k ?) would be imposed a drive through penalty to be served immediatly.

    Speed limiters exist on those cars !! Carry on racing on the rest of the circuit.
     
  20. tifosi12

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    Interesting concept. Call Masi. :)
     
  21. jgonzalesm6

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    Maybe it's the tires......Pirelli.....which is why the FIA and stewards are being cautious when it rains.




    Sebastian Vettel on Pirelli's extreme wet tyres: "They are way too hard for this track [Monaco], but it was the same at Imola too. It's just a bad tyre.

    Vettel: "In rainy weather, we know that the current cars have a lot of aquaplaning. Pirelli hasn't worked on this subject for years and everyone knows it. So we have to wait until it stops raining to be able to launch a race."

    Vettel: "I remember the days when we could have driven here in the rain, with no problem with this amount of water, but with these tyres it is impossible."

    Vettel: "Looking at them, the 'extreme wet' looks good but in fact they're useless. As soon as you can switch to intermediate, you do it straight away."

    https://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/fr/formule-1/vettel-critique-tres-fortement-les-pneus-pluie-de-pirelli,171578.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
     
  22. jpalmito

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    Michelin’s tyres would fix all of this problems believe me !
     
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    Agreed.
     
  24. Edward 96GTS

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    some drivers are just too inexperienced to be in such a hi performance car.
    they can drive, but not wise enough to understand some situations.
     
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