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  1. 635CSI

    635CSI F1 Rookie

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    Ok, post the Monaco **** show…
    What do we do now?
    What can/should be changed.
     
  2. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Obviously the car is one of the two best by a huge margin.
    We have one of the best driver.
    Our engine reliability is not perfect.
    Something is missing with the pit crew.
    Huge consequences today.
    Red Bull look like a more complete team, more professional.
     
  3. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Poor strategy has lost Monaco for other teams in the past too.

    Remember Ricciardo 'RB) waiting for tyre, or Hamilton (MB) untimely pit stop?

    It could be interesting to hear Binotto's explanation.
     
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  4. maha

    maha F1 Rookie

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    when i said on a polling thread that Ferrari would win all the races.. think i said it right. we've a car capable of winning all the races.. i think rain is our main enemy. whenever it rains, (oh,god and it always rains in Sunday !) race's been ****ed up either by drivers or strategists. then there is bad luck or whatever you can say but someone who doesn't want to believe in luck.. just look at ferrari . season is not long enough now.. we need to win immediately..
     
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  5. sp1der

    sp1der F1 Rookie

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    2 week-ends, 2 races lost one through reliability, one through pit wall being asleep.
     
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  6. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

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    Mercedes made a way bigger cock up at Monaco a few years ago and still nobody said they were dead and buried.

    I'm more worried about the points loss and specially about the speed of the car. At Miami it was not enough, Monaco is irrelevant in that aspect, and in Spain it broke down before we could draw any conclusion. The next races are going to be interesting.
     
  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    For Mercedes it was just a hiccup during their period of domination without much effect.
     
  8. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Mercedes was in a fight with just themselves...they didn't have a Red Bull breathing down their neck every minute of any race...
     
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  9. DeSoto

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    Well, that supports my theory about that it's the car, not strategy, what wins or looses championships.

    If Mercedes had a dominant car in 2021 like before it wouldn't have mattered an untimed safety car period in the last race
     
  10. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    But bad strategy can lose races even with a dominant car.
     
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  11. Maser GTS

    Maser GTS Karting

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    Serious question--Does Ferrari manage production and sale of its cars (its commercial business) any better than it manages its F1 team? I think that if it was good at the former it would also be good at the latter, but not necessarily vice versa. If it isn't very good at the former, I wouldn't expect it to be good at the latter. I would listen to arguments saying that there is no relationship between the two.
     
  12. jpalmito

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    The SF-75 is not a dominant car but a competitive one.
    With a dominant car you can even win races with bad strategy.
     
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  13. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Tell that to Hamilton !!
     
  14. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Who ?:p
     
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  15. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Hamilton lost several races when misdirected, driving a dominant car in the dominant team.

    But the bad results were swallowed in the rest of the success.

    At Ferrari it's a knife edge situation; a mistake shatters the whole edifice.
     
  16. jpalmito

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    Apart the same case in Monaco i can't remember a single race lost by Hamilton when he drove a dominant Mercedes because of bad strategical decision ..
     
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  17. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I think there was another one, but Rosberg won!
     
  18. crinoid

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    Maybe I’m staying the obvious however, is it that Binotto can’t quite think fast on his feet, can’t improvise, and perhaps more importantly the strategy team cannot. Is this why they choked?
     
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  19. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    Lack of confidence by the strategists.
     
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  20. DeSoto

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    Well, it could be argued they lost the championship last year for not putting fresh tyres during the safety car.

    There were more tactical mistakes, but often they had so much speed that it didn't matter. In the end, all strategies work when you have a good car.
     
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  21. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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  22. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran
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    As he said, if it was illegal they would have been DQ’d.

    How many times have other teams played at the edge of the rules and been commended for pushing the envelope or gaining an “unfair advantage *”? Despite the addition of sensors for batteries and fuel flow, nothing was found.

    * the Penske “motto”
     
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  23. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I originally thought Ferrari had found a loophole but other FChatters had told me Ferrari cheated which is why the 2nd fuel.flow sensor was added for 2020....hence why Ferrari's performance dropped dramatically for the 2020 year and ended up 6th place in the WCC standings.

    I really don't know what to make of it really and the FIA "hush-hush" procedure.
     
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  24. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran
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    Binotto admits in that interview that they were pushing the boundaries. Probably like the others that were burning oil, etc. until the rules got tightened. He also admits it affected their performance in 2020.

    They most likely pushed back on the FIA because a deeper investigation would uncover proprietary info that would then get shared to other teams. Kind of like when other teams were fishing around to understand how Ferrari was using their batteries and got the FIA to add monitors for checking their charging and deployment strategies.
     
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