2008 F430 Spyder Carbon Ceramic Brakes missing

Hi All, I recently purchased a 2008 F430 Spyder with F1 transmission from the original owner. The car came complete with full documentation to include the original window sticker. On the sticker under standard equipment, it shows the car came with Carbon Ceramic Brakes as a standard feature as it should have as an 2008.

The car has steel brakes and the original; owner states that is how the car car when purchased new from a Ferrari Owned Dealership in Northern California. I have no reason to believe the owner is being anything but truthful. He is a friend.

All service has been done by either Ferrari dealerships or factory trained independent shops. The car has approximately 19k miles and has never been tracked.

The original owner thinks he recalls being told the car came with steel brakes and was one of a small number of early 2008 cars with steel brakes; despite the carbon ceramic brakes being listed in the window sticker.

Has anyone ever heard or known a 2008 or 2009 F430 to come with anything other than carbon ceramic brakes and if so, why?

I have exhausted my resources to unravel this puzzle but hoping this experienced community can lend a hand.

Thank you in advance for any helpful replies.

 

The 08 and 09 MY F430s came standard with CCMs and steel rotors were not an option. Many owners, however, swap out the CCM rotors for steel rotors because of the high cost of replacements when the CCMs wear out.

Do the calipers still have the Brembo ceramic brake markings?

 

My guess is the seller / dealer is spinning you a yarn, and they have been changed to Steels, this can be done in 2 ways, just the Discs or the whole lot? Are all for callipers the same size or are the fronts bigger?

 

FYI: F430 CCM rotors are not marked "brembo carbon ceramic". I have a late 2009 and they aren't marked. The Scud calipers are marked but they are bigger than the 430 CCM. Don't know why 599 and Scud CCM calipers are marked "brembo carbon ceramic" but the 430 aren't from the same years.

 

A dealer should be able to confirm if you supply the VIN. It sounds wrong to me but you never know.

 

Perhaps the rotors got damaged in shipping and the dealership/Ferrari swapped them in prep for the showroom?

 

why would they do that? the car was under warranty. Unless they removed them and sold the rotors off, or the previous owner did.

 

More likely the previous owner did the swap but offering a possibility of what happened in the past. Say the rotors were back-ordered at the time? I would assume the dealership let the buyer know too.

 

Should be noted that most owners who do that do it because they track the car. CCB's virtually never wear out with street driving.

 

Sold new in '08 but maybe a '07 build? VIN will tell you. Are they big steel brakes or the std 430 ones?

 

Post a pic

 

My Spider is produced in April 2008 if i remember correct, sold new in Sweden and it left the factory with steel brakes.. I also checked this with Local Ferrari dealer and they said they produced with steel brakes also partial in 2008 and it could also be a special request from the buyer not wanting Ceramic ones.

 

All MY 08 F430s had CCMs in the US and a price increase to go along with them.

 

Post the window sticker.

 

Post a pic of these brakes. My guess is someone swapped the rotors for steel aftermarket ones.

 

I agree with Mercedes_Benz I think a prior owner for some reason had to replace the CCM brakes and took a cheaper route and went with steel.

 

MODIS. Get a copy.


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Unless you are tracking the car the ceramic breaks aren't the best option. As I understand, the ceramic breaks work well ones things are heated up and last much longer than the steel breaks. I for one don't track and rarely use brakes, down shifting is safer and sounds way better You bought the car from the original owner, who seems like a upfront guy, I would guess your car came with steel brakes.

 

I track my car, and I love my CCM brakes... If you don't like them, more power for you, you have more money left over... but hey, did you buy a Ferrari to save money??

Plus, how come, how is it possible, for a car with CCM brakes on the window sticker to come with steel brakes... don't you see there is a disconnect . I would do more digging on this; as CCM brakes dont' just have brake disks, calipers and pads different, the master brake cylinder is different, etc.

 

.. and by the way, I hate these firm statements "the car has never been tracked".. how the f do you know???

I can show you my M3 in showroom condition (which my wife drives to work most days ) and it has tens of track days under it's belt. ... Not a sign on the paint, and low miles too! and guess what, it runs better than a "never tracked" M3 which has had oil changes at recommended intervals of 15k miles...

My opinion is that the car has been heavily tracked, and owner went cheap on brakes, and put steelies on. Does not mean at all the car is worse than any other of same mileage, it might even be better, because tracked cars get more attention, read above.

Considering how expensive the CCM brakes are; the chances are that he got a free supply of steel brakes components from selling the the original brakes, too... just thought about it.

Just my 2 cents...

 

To the OP, check the brake booster in the car.
If its black, they are for steel rotors. If its a metal color, the car was fitted for CCB. The booster for CCBs are smaller than the black Steel boosters as well. The line to the ABS module also differs. If it's an 08', like TAZ said, they should be CCB because they were standard equipment.

This is really the only way to tell what the car was fitted for from the factory. Unless you upgraded like me.

 

The OP has only 1 post. I think he has gone missing. A simple picture can help us answer him. I take it by now he already figured this out.

 

Yeah, the entire brake system is pretty much different for the cars that came with carbon ceramics. Should be solved with a few pics for sure!

 

Yes, there are F430 MY08 that came with steel brakes from factory, I've came across 3 so far.
If you have registred your car and ownership with Ferrari, you can access the build info for your car with the Ferrari App, that will tell you if your car had the CCM brakes from factory.

(YES, it's listed in the configuration, even if it's standard equipment for most MY 08 and all MY 09. "CCMD - Carboceramic brake system")

You don't know that.

 

Michael- Yes, we do. Ferrari made a big deal out of it. What they do in Europe and the US is often unrelated and saving a few bucks on CCMs for F430s was not an option here. The US often gets configurations on Ferraris, M-B, Audis, etc that were not available in Europe and vice versa.