Hamilton, Flash in the Pan!

This season has fully revealed what many have pointed out for years, but the ham true believers simply can't let the facts get in the way of their idol worship. Their cognitive dissonance is powerful.

 

It is capable of winning races--but only if both cars of RB and F fail to finish.

 

Yes, but that's silly. The car that consistently finishes 19th is "capable" of winning, too ... if the first 18 don't finish.

 

You mean a driver in a not optimal car cant win. Thats news here LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL???????????????????????


Dissonance not required at all. Its F1 and its been that way since the CAR MATTERS MORE THAN THE DRIVER NOW LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

 

We're talking about out performing his teammate.

 

Yep, the confusion around here runs pretty deep (as usual)

Blame the "car" for finishing 3 places behind #1 (as demonstrated by Russell).
Blame the "driver" for finishing 2 places behind that (as demonstrated by Hamilton).

Pretty simple

 

Records were made to be broken, and F1 is a young mans game. I'll be waiting for the next driver that someday breaks Lewis's records. Until then, the record books only show one man that has surpassed 100 wins in his F1 Career. Congratulations Lewis you stand alone in F1 history as the first man to win 100 races.
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Based purely on "number of career wins", Hamilton is greater than Senna and Prost combined.

hmmmm ... maybe that metric alone doesn't tell the whole story.

 

Combination of car and driver, ALWAYS. At his peak, Hamilton was incredibly consistent and unflinching under pressure. That made him a good bet to maximize the potential of the McLaren & MB to win titles. Even when the car wasn't great, younger Hamilton was able to push it up the grid and get 2-4 wins on a season.

I don't think pairing him with a car that physically taxes him as much as this one is what he wanted at the twilight of his career. I don't think George likes it either, but he's a hungry guy at the start of his journey. And he is legitimate....regardless of how he got there, the fact that he's within 17pts of Charles says a lot (I know, dnf's and bad pit-calls do count, but Russell is still making the most of his opportunities)

 

I think Mark only mentioned that he was the first to surpass 100 victories, not is the "greatest of all time" (I despise that concept for the very reason you called out here...racing is different in different eras)

 

This season has revealed that time catches up with everyone. You can't compare a 28 year old Lewis to 38 year old. To say that his performance this season at 38years discredits his achievements in the past is a bit duplicitous.

 

No, barring failures by Ferrari and Red Bull. The car has extremely narrow margins to work with...while it may show decently at one circuit, it will be a disaster show at another.

The car isn't good enough to win. However, it's also not the same Hamilton we've seen over the past 15 years...natural progression of things

 

Going back to the title of this thread, if Hamilton is a "flash in the pan", what does that make:

- Kimi Raikkonen
- Jacques Villeneuve
- Fernando Alonso
- Jensen Button
- Nico Rosberg
- Damon Hill
- Nigel Mansell

If 7 titles makes you a 'flash in the pan', were any of these guys even in the pan??? I can't get my mind around what the title is suggesting

 

What Mercedes is doing so far is scavanging: sticking around and collecting the crumbs left.

The non-finish results of Red Bull and Ferrari have flattered their form enormously.

Several podiums have been obtained because of RB or Ferrari DNFs., Russell usually doing better than Hamilton.

Mercedes is just the 3rd car, thanks to engine reliability, and some conservative strategy.

It's not a car that exhibits any chance of wins. This year must be considered as a write-off for Mercedes.

 

Its more absurdity over-whelming this forum. He LH, lost and they cannot let go LOL! They are validated now with George being a touch faster. They think its a melt down when its just the natural order of things. Beware 'dissonance' LOL!

Kimi was a bright flash
JB was a slow burning flash
Fernando is slow boil that refuses to simply cool off
Nico was a loud pop and disappeared into the air like a balloon that popped. He surprised many as he exited!
Damon - did he make any noise??

 

Putting it mildly of course. Well said.

 

Wasn't Lewis last WDC title in 2020??? He was 36years old. He came close in 2021 to another WDC title.

Lewis, at 38yo, just does'nt have a dominant and winning car anymore because of the change in rules and regulations and a budget cap. He's lost interest in trying to fight while his team-mate is up-and-coming and young making most of what he has with the car.

 

Hamilton may not have been so keen to sign a new contract last year, had he known what the future held for him.

A succession of changes altered completely the conditions. The Mercedes era is over.

 

Just like Hamilton signing with Mercedes in 2014.....not knowing the rules and regulations plus the token system would ensure Mercedes dominance and Lewis securing 6 WDC titles.

Sometimes your very lucky and this time, 2022, your not as lucky and you get exposed.

 

At 38, he would need a dominant and winning car to keep it up. Actually, any driver needs a dominant and winning car to fight. Russell is faring better, but it's mostly due to Red Bull and Ferrari attrition than him being competitive.

I know that I was nowhere near the athlete at 38 that I was in my 20's. Driving probably extends you a bit longer than more 'hand-to-hand combat', but the first signs of deterioration are unforced mistakes. LH had a few of those in the early part of last season...some of us were identifying that back then while he was still battling for a title.

Michael's results at Merc were not the result of complacency nor lack of caring, they were because a younger driver had surpassed his production. I believe the same is true for Lewis. Russell is legit, and him dragging that p.o.s. up the grid has to be a warning for the future (if they can get their mojo back in subsequent seasons...won't happen this year)

 

Alonso still fights....regardless of the car...late in his 30's going into his 40's...you can see it at times.

The attrition with RedBull and Ferrari regarding Russell is somewhat correct BUT when there is no attrition with RedBull and Ferrari, Russell plants that W13 in a P5 position CONSISTENTLY.

 

Then why is he (Russell) 4th in the standings?

 

Oh.......it's you again.

Ummmm, maybe because Russell hasn't had a DNF in 8 races when compared to RedBull and Ferrari.

 

So, I'm assuming you actually KNOW Lewis Hamilton since you're telling us "he's lost interest in trying to fight". When did he tell you this?
Do you have any other tidbits that Lewis has clued you in on? FerrariChat F1 section becomes People and US magazines...how fun.

 

YOU said he (GR) had the "3rd best car in the field".