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  1. Ultima RS

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    Lows of the Z06;

    Unless you got on 'the list' at your local dealer for one in 2017 they are unavailable for the next 5 years. Good luck on eBay!
    Made by communists wearing Skynard t-shirts working in a dark, dirty, dingy plant in Kentucky.
    If it breaks it will be repaired by technicians unqualified to change oil and joyridden by everyone with access to the key.
    You get to participate in tier 1 exotic 'you'll pay what we tell you' mystery markup pricing at a place that used to sell Luminas.
    You can't tune it or mod it - unless you consider an airbrushed mural of an American flag under the hood a performance modification.
    By the time you get one the ZR1/Zora will be out and no one will care about your Z06 anymore.
     
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    Not going to address most here, but people are getting huge HP gains with mods of the regular C8, not sure why you think the Z06 will be any different.
     
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    He’s trying to make us cry.
     
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    #980 Ultima RS, Jun 12, 2022
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    Do any of these "people" you speak of NOT have a YouTube channel and the sponsored support of eBay and GM?

    Speaking of; maybe GM should add this to their 'highs and lows' battle card....

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  6. Edward 96GTS

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    talk to people that own McLarens. good road cars but have reliability issues.
    and i think they depreciate too.
     
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  7. boxerman

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    Not sure why one would need to tune for more than 650 hp on a trackable car. For road the zora or whatever will be better/faster.
    As you say, when the Zr1/zora comes pout it will be the thing, in which case all the poseurs who had to have the latest "fastest" vette will switch to that, and the z06 will be obtanium. I reckon if you got your order in 2021 its a 3 -4 year wait at MSRP. Thats assuming the boomers are still buying with tanking retirement portfolios.

    yes dealer service can be an issue, but some dealers have dedicated vette staff. Ive also found my chevy dealer to be infinitely more competent at servicing than the Mercedes dealer, and I wouldn't service my ferrari at a ferrari dealer. or let me put it another way, for anything other than routine maintance, you're better of with a specialist or just doing it yourself.
    plus any car seeing serious track time(which is the z06 purpose as opposed to a zr1) is going to need maintenance every 4 days, better off doing it yourself. Which begs the question, whats involved in an oil change, brake fluid change and tranny oil change on a vette these days.
     
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    i think the z06 is a very different motor to a sbc. Pretty much any motor that uses massive revs for power is not easily tunable for much more power. That was true of the E46 M3, the 458, the s2000 to name a few. What tunes can do is expand the powerband to get rid of flat spots and dips due to emissions etc. While headline numbers may not change much the wider range of hp and tq can make a car significantly quicker in real use, maybe thats less relevant when the car has paddles.
    The flat plane mustang gt350 needed turbos or superchargers to get real power gains.

    now a turbocharged car can be tuned up 50-100hp pretty easily. A classic sbc can also be tuned up somewhat I guess maybe 40hp with tune and exhaust, after that its cams and heads to make real hp, and then youre into durability issues.

    There is a lot to be said for leaving cars more or less stock esp if they come with a good flowing exhaust to start with. then maybe some tune to get rid of flat spots.

    I guess it all depends on what the car is for. On track, as you know 650 hp is going to be more than plenty, and on street its overkill, other than for roll on races between 50-150 which is kinda a unskilled bragging thing more than serious. For that the zr1/zora and probably e-rey are all going to be better.

    meanwhile we await some serious tests of this car, and the weight is always going to be an issue. i hope its not just a great sounding revving motor in ana otherwise too heavy underdamped car. I say this because A. Its Gm, and B, recently took a zl1 camaro on track and it was horrid, the motor was greet though.
     
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    Agree- 650 is more than plenty for any street or track use. Drag racing - I have no clue and don’t care.

    The base C8 was great on track- hoping they are serious when they claimed they are giving up the golden lap for more sustained performance.
     
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    We agree.
    im thinking of all those youtube videos of two cars on the highway flooring it and seeing which one outdrags/races the other. Is that not what a Maclaren 720 is champ at. Im Guessing the zora will slay in that arena, and for 2-3 laps set some sort of benchmark on the road course.

    Seems many are glommign on to the z06 as the current/next ultimate vette, and some are also attracted by all those revs. Once the TT zr1 comes out with 750-800hp for many that will be the ultimate one to have.

    The z06 is supposed to be the car optimised for track, we'll see how that "sustained performance" plays out. Could just be a heavier grippier c8 with a revy motor and more hp. There are any number of "track ready" cars that in reality are anything but. The rare exception in my book is are the gt series porche. the last car we saw from Gm that was really "track ready", was the 2017 z28 and that was a car really compromised for road. Not sure gm will make the same tradeoff wiht the vette, or maybe with the extra $$ and tech they don't need to. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

    Maybe its unfair to compare, but the Lotus emira ver1.0 by all reports is a damp squib when it comes to track, but great on road. That seems to have worked as Lotus has lots of orders. Haw far in different directions can the c8 be stretched, and is the vette team free to take different versions of this car in multiple directions.
    We'll see. My bet is the z06 is going to be like a reliable useable lambo, mote than a gt3. Either way its going to be fun.
     
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    So true for the S2000.

    When Honda released that car, everything was so highly optimized that any performance improvements were only about 1% better and not worth the money spent whether it be power or handling.
     
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    Have they announced pricing yet? I still haven't even spec'd mine. Until the dealer gets pricing they said no point. I'm getting the only allocation from my dealer.
     
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    Well, I don't "drive" the factory. Besides, by most estimates, the Z06 will kick the ass of nearly any McLaren model.
     
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    GM keeps delaying both the price and first deliveries. Not sure why. Could be changes it still needs before production and inflation issues.
     
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    I’ve had a 570S and 600LT. Yes, they depreciate like a stone (today, I have no idea what’s going on).
    They are awesome, but come with British “charm” (my saga of charging a dead battery was comic in retrospect). I would get another, but not for track use - too fast without full safety equipment/too expensive to run (how fast? Well cresting the hill at VIR back straight, which is only 2/3, I was blazing past 180).
     
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    I dropped my C8 at the dealer this morning for some warranty work. No different than any other Chevy to do. No drama. The dealer I picked is about 6 miles from my home. HUGE dealership.

    From what I've heard, everything about McLaren service is DRAMA.
     
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    I'm starting to not care as much about the Z06. Not taking myself off the list, but I'm happier with my C8 than I've been with any sports car in my life and I'm not sure I give a crap about upgrading. Only been a year and history's shown me to eat words like that, I date sports cars. But I want literally one of each of the coming models, Eray, Z06, ZR1, Zora but I only have space for one. And what I really want will probably never be produced. We have a NA C8, NA Z06, Hybrid NA Eray, Turboed LT6 ZR1, Turboed LT6 Zora with electric assist. If I'm reading my tea leaves correctly. What's missing, what I want, is a NA LT6 with electric assist. Basically an Eray with the LT6 and doesn't look like it'll ever happen. Who am I kidding, I'll probably take the Z06 when offered a hundred years from now. But for the time being I just don't give a **** about the hype vs enjoyment of the current vehicle. Big Who Cares until it shows up.
     
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    Order them all, Bob! There is a house near you for sale with a 22-car garage!:eek:

     
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    Thanks! I'll look into that :)

    I'm winding down my aspirations at this point, getting ready to sell my company, set realistic expectations for a very lengthy retirement. Don't need more garage bays to fill though I may build a 4th at some point. If I roll through the lineup it'll be like I did with used ferraris, one at a time a year or two at a time. It's such a great car, I wouldn't mind having two variants but it's not super likely. My point was that of all the variants expected, the one I want ain't in there so why change up at all. The C8 is perfect.
     
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    Grand Sport?
     
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