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Warning - Scam/Fraud !!!

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by surfer63, Jul 14, 2022.

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  1. surfer63

    surfer63 Rookie

    Jul 3, 2017
    29
    Sydney, Australia
    I wanted to warn members of a recent fraud/scam that I fell victim to:

    On May 30th of this year I posted an advert seeking manuals and tool kit for a Dino 246 GTS. I received a number of responses from members and after some deliberation chose to negotiate with a seller for a combined set of manuals and a tool kit. For sake of good order and security purposes we swapped email address' and corresponded accordingly. I also called the seller directly to verify credentials.

    We agreed upon a price and at the end of June the seller emailed me his banking details and address. About 4 hours after receiving the sellers banking details I received a second email (from the same email address) advising that the bank details had changed and that funds should be forwarded to a different account. The language and email address all looked fine and it did not raise any concerns.

    The second Bank Account provided is as follows

    Bank: Royal Bank of Scotland
    16-01-09

    A/c No. 00699471
    SWIFT: RBOSGB2L
    IBAN: GB43RBOS16010900699471

    I arranged the funds transfer and was surprised when the seller contacted me a few days later advising funds had not been received into his account. We soon discovered that someone had managed to access either his or my email account and send a fake email directing funds to another account.

    The matter is currently being investigated by both the remitting and receiving banks

    I have a suspicion that the fraud may have been perpetrated by someone viewing the online discussions on Ferrari Chat and just wanted to let you know what has transpired so that others do not fall into the same trap that I did.

    Best Regards
     
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  2. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
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    @surfer63 Sorry to hear of this but thanks for the warning. I hope that it can be resolved.
     
  3. paulchua

    paulchua Cat Herder
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    Jul 1, 2013
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    Sorry to hear about this - appreciate the heads up. Hope you get your money back
     
  4. Nospinzone

    Nospinzone F1 Veteran

    Jul 1, 2013
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    This is actually a common scam. Many people have lost 10's and even 100's of thousands of dollars when the scammer imitates a real estate broker's email and the victim thinks they are paying for a property.
     
  5. GatorFL

    GatorFL Moderator
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    Nov 18, 2005
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    Were you contacted here? What was the username?
     
  6. Regular Guy 01

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    Sorry to hear of this event happening to you. It's a shame when we do all the right things and something like this still happens.

    You might want to check with your insurance agent and see if you have coverage for this.
    We are with PURE Insurance and have this coverage with our policy.
    Good luck and thanks for sharing this with us.

    Regards,
    GG
     
  7. Gh21631

    Gh21631 F1 Veteran
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    I have heard this happening to auto dealers as well. Its always best to call and verify any changes vs just counting on an email. We all think we aren't being considered for a hack but you never know.
     
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  8. Shark01

    Shark01 F1 Veteran

    Jun 25, 2005
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    So are you saying the seller scammed you, or some 3rd party picked that exact moment to hack an innocent account?
     
  9. tx246

    tx246 F1 Veteran
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    We deal with nonsense like this all the time in real estate. Title/Escrow companies open title and a fake email is sent out with an address that looks awfully similar to something that seems legitimate. And once it is discovered, it is too late
     
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  10. Doug.

    Doug. F1 Rookie
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    Apr 16, 2004
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    Yep, it absolutely does. A dealer here just got scammed that way on an AMG Black Series.

    Thanks for the heads up, hope you get your money back.
     
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  11. Nospinzone

    Nospinzone F1 Veteran

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    He knows it's not the seller because the OP has the bank account info.
     
  12. Shark01

    Shark01 F1 Veteran

    Jun 25, 2005
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    So how did a hacking occur at just the right time to score big?
     
  13. surfer63

    surfer63 Rookie

    Jul 3, 2017
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    Sydney, Australia
    The seller was not involved in the scam. Some 3rd party scum hacked the email account, however the timing and wording used in the exchange indicates that it was someone who was following the dialogue through the Forum.
     
  14. surfer63

    surfer63 Rookie

    Jul 3, 2017
    29
    Sydney, Australia
    Hi GG,

    Thanks for the advice - will do
     
  15. Nospinzone

    Nospinzone F1 Veteran

    Jul 1, 2013
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    Here's how it works. A hacker sends out emails to 1000's of email accounts pretending to be a legitimate site, e.g. Comcast, Verizon, GMail, etc. An unwitting person thinking they are verifying their account divulges his password. The hacker can now access that person's email account and read all incoming and outgoing emails.

    When there are just mundane exchanges he does nothing. One week, or one month later when an incoming email from a banker reads "send your $100,000 escrow money to [insert bank account #]" the hacker pounces. He sends a new email to the hacked account saying "sorry I meant to type account #".

    Certainly the hacker could have accessed the email account the very day the OP's transaction occurred, but most likely it was being monitored for a period of time.

    There are a number of scams that can work off of this hack. For example, from reading emails they know the person has a grandchild, they send an email purporting to be from the child saying he/she is in Mexico and all their money was stolen and please send a Western Union wire for $1000.

    I don't know why you keep thinking the OP was the scammer. I guess he could have made up the whole thing, but what would be the point?
     
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  16. surfer63

    surfer63 Rookie

    Jul 3, 2017
    29
    Sydney, Australia
    Thanks for your comments and would tend to agree with your logic and assessment of the situation
     
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  17. Shark01

    Shark01 F1 Veteran

    Jun 25, 2005
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    ????? Have no idea why you said this, I just didn't understand how this works
     

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