Having driven the paltry 707 hp Aston DBX, with only a TT V8, the (excess) weight payment for electrical assist would not be/have been worth any extra torque, whether real or imagined.
Already confirmed by insider's N/A V12 and in a few years a full EV. There will be no V6 or V8 Hybrid versions
My dealer is professional and discreet but another one who attended Italy last week shared a few nuggets some of which are already noted above. V12 NA, suicide rear doors, very like the grey factory stolen shots, first 24 months allocation to be approved by factory (ever name), new or near new customers don’t bother, mandatory sell back to dealer for a period for those clients. 812 GTS plus 15% pricing. Nobody shown inside. Italian launch for a relatively few.
Any mention of a VS version? Or will the NAV12 versions serve as the most hardcore variant? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don’t agree that it is that simple. Ferrari is 100% doing the correct thing by launching with the V12 and giving this entirely new and skeptically received product category “pure blood” pedigree. The issue is that they will have nowhere near capacity to meet demand even if they stopped making every other V12 vehicle. At every high end restaurant or shopping venue you are seeing half of the vehicles pulling up now are high end SUVs. There is no reason why Ferrari couldn’t pull a GTC4 LussoT here and add the V6. It sounds great, it has plenty of power and a lot of people would appreciate the dual nature of silent garage pull outs and sonorous engine notes during the main part of the drive. They could price them within 10% of the V12 and sell triple the amount.
Fact is they are not going to for what ever reason. they have a very short window till the EV model so they are going all in on the V12. For m]names sake even if they offered a V6 Hybrid the factory can currently only produce so many total units per year, So having V6 and V12 engine stock will not change their total units limited per year.
What you are saying is true.But... The demand for v12 will be 5x the supply. They will not abandon the exlusivity factor/principle for it, for sure. There is alvays gonna be one less (in this case more than one) than demand. V6 probability close to 1%.(Don't want to sound like a line from Dumb and Dumber"you want to tell me there is a chance"
At most, they can produce 1,000 ish per year of the V12 because the V12 line has other things to make as well. They could, in addition, produce another 2,000 of the V6 each year on the V6/V8 assembly line. Even that, 3,000 combined per year, would not come close to meeting global demand. It wouldn’t even come close to meeting demand in the US.
In 2021, Ferrari sold 11,000 cars and according to recent statements made by its CEO Benedetto Vigna, the production of the Purosangue will average 20 percent of the total annual production. Ferrari's approach, which will translate into a production of approximately 2000 Purosangues per year, equivalent in annual terms to the Californias produced between 2008 and 2012, will contrast radically with that of other brands who have added SUVs to their model ranges and allowed them to account for close to -or more than- 50 percent of annual sales. The estimated total production for the Lusso V12 between 2016 and 2020 was 2200 cars which represents around 500 cars per year. How big is the market for the Purosangue V12? I would venture to say that it will not exceed 3000 cars. This will likely mean that the bulk of the Purosangue production will be non-V12 models.
Here is what you are missing: NOBODY wanted the FF/Lusso GTC4. It was neither fish nor fowl, an odd duck and an ugly duckling at that. People who bought them closed their eyes and held their nose at the absurd design because they had a wife or kids who were screaming at them to trundle along in dad’s Ferrari. It was perhaps the only Ferrari car in history that wasn’t the least bit sexy. When I say the word ‘supermodel’ you don’t picture an awkward girl with eyeglasses and braces. That’s what the FF/Lusso was. The Purosangue corrects this mistake. It is what the FF/Lusso SHOULD have been had Ferrari had the courage back then that they have now. The global demand for this vehicle with a combustion engine, whether it’s V12 or sonorous 800hp V6 hybrid is WELL IN EXCESS of 5,000 units globally. PER YEAR. That’s why I am reiterating that Ferrari is leaving billions and billions of dollars per year on the table by restricting production to the V12 assembly line.
Saying NOBODY wanted is a factual error in logic. I wanted badly, but could not afford two Ferrari at the time, so when my wife had preference for the 812, what could I do? It is still on my radar. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Keep in mind as noted in earlier posts, Ferrari sent emails/letters to select customers ( I heard it was about 1,000) around the globe asking interest in the FUV and that the first production would be NA V12. Those potential customers were then contacted by their dealers to determine interest and if they wanted to put a deposit on the FUV. Will these be the ONLY NA V12's produced? IF so, the aftermarket for them should be extremely high. Anyone have any insight to my question of the ONLY NA V12's produced of the FUV?
It is strongly believed that approximately 1,000 ish V12 Purosangue will be made PER YEAR on a normal 3 to 4 year production run. Although it will not be limited by number … they can only make around 1,000 a year for a few years. Although it won’t be AS DIFFICULT to obtain as a limited by number model such as the 812 Competizione, for ‘most run-of-the-millionaires’ non-VIP or not-TOP client, it is going to be unobtanium from a brand new specify-your-own vehicle perspective.
I think it’s fair to say that global demand of roughy 500 units per year is effectively NOBODY. The tragedy here is that the FF/GTC4 is a VERY capable and respectable vehicle with a very compelling value proposition and use case. It was killed by its super awkward ‘docked Doberman’s tail’ chopped buttocks styling. Had it been styled as a sweeping fastback … which it could have easily been … it would have sold like hot cakes.
Recall in the US, many dealers forced an order for a GTC4 by requiring as prerequisite to order what you really wanted (Pista for example), the dealers typically had unused GTC4 allocations...this resulted in the number GTC4 produced to be far less than actual customer demand... If the FUV is under 60" (152cm) I presume it will not be highly regarded or desired...it will be another tall car pretending to be a "SUV"... For comparison, the BMW family (X1-X5), the X2 (the shortest at just over 60 inches) is far less popular...just a tall car pretending... If the FUV is 64"+ (162cm) then it will be very popular (about the same height as the Urus)... We will see how 'smart' Ferrari is on this critical detail...
It is not in my nature to be argumentative but, respectfully, your argument flips logic on its head in a way that is backwards. Your point does not refute my point. It makes my point even stronger. Why were dealers jamming GTC4s down prospective Pista owners throat? Because practically NOBODY would have bought them otherwise! In fact, this practice ARTIFICIALLY INFLATED factory new orders for the GTC4. To conclude otherwise is confusing cause and effect. The tremendous amount of pre-owned GTC4 flooding dealerships ar the time DID NOT CAUSE demand to be suppressed, it was the EFFECT of such low demand that dealers had to ‘incentivize’ its purchase by making its purchase a condition of obtaining truly desirable vehicles.
Regardless of height this product is going to be a stunning sales success. A vehicle that has true 4-door ease of egress, 4 passenger usability, generous luggage capacity and drives like an 812 on the road and has a lust worthy racing derived exhaust note and gearbox is going to be a grand slam sales success regardless of whether it is SUV height or crossover height. Ferrari itself, is being overly cautious on the success of this product, primarily due to the PTSD they have from the anemic sales of the GTC4 and partly because of all the flack they have taken from nostalgic ‘purists’ for even introducing this vehicle in the first place. Everyone will get over their PTSD in a hurry when this comes out. If they knew what was good for them they would add a V6 hybrid option ASAP!
?? I was not refuting your point or arguing -- I was supporting it...re-read aloud to yourself...I added it to your reply because your reply had not yet mentioned that facet of how GTC4 production occurred... Restating: dealers' skewed "GTC4 demand" by forcing customers to order this unloved model in order to place an order for a model they desired... If dealer's did not do this, GTC4 production would of been even lower...
I appreciate what you are saying and the friendly exchange. If you re-read what you wrote, which was that this ‘quid pro quo’ dealer practice resulted in “fewer” GTC4 being produced than actual customer demand … I think you can see that what what you mean to say … was that this practice resulted in ‘more’ GTC4 being produced than actual customer demand. I believe that is what you meant to say. But it is not what you said. Just pointing that out
