C8 Z06

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No doubt it's a big deal if it happens to you, but it is NOT something worthy of all the hand wringing that goes on courtesy of the internet.

 

Time was buying any new car I’m it’s first year of production was not a great idea. The Japanese showed in the 80s that this need not be the case and in general mostcars come out fully developed. But there is now question that by year two and three improvements are made. The corvette being relatively small to diction probably has more small glitches than most, but the. We saw gt3 motors blowing and 458s catching g on fire, so some paint chipping must be seen in context.

 

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The headlight/paint issue is just the typical overly dramatic internet doing the talking. I spoke with the Corvette tech at my dealer (a top 50 Corvette seller) and he told me in 3 years of C8 production so far, he's seen 2 cars with the problem (out of 300+ cars sold)

 

Does anyone know when the first batch of orders are going to go in?

 

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July 28th

 

Thanks.
Any guesses then on build time?
Let’s say an order is placed Aug 1st, when would you guess for delivery time?

 

when do the models change to 2024 build cars?

 

They switch model years in July.

 

I stopped by my dealership yesterday to confirm my place on their list and to see if anyone had opted out.

Earlier in this thread I said I was 16th on the list, I'm actually 23rd, and no one has dropped off of it - yet. Could have sworn I was 16th - oh well. They told me to expect a 2-3 year wait.

I've decided to place an order.

 

I think it's very true that you won't use it as much or at all. FWIW I think the most beautiful look of the C8 is CHT top down. The CHT weighs more, but the performance is ridiculous anyway so who cares. If you like being able to pop your hood, like engine bling which a lot of people do, you will never see the engine in a CHT. CHT has more storage space. No on the buffeting question, I've had the C8 pretty fast top down and it's slicker than any convertible I've ever had including Ferraris.

 

GM order guide for Z06 (start on page 5 -- its mixed up with the standard Stingray)

Mag ride is standard for all Z06 versions.

https://www.corvetteblogger.com/docs/2023_OrderGuide_Stingray_Z06.pdf

 

Wow! 98 pages of choices!

 

CCB is for automotive press track test review numbers. Just like sticky rubber. People would scream, 'well, they should have tested it with sticky rubber like the other car had!'

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i dont even think CCB is that good for track review test numbers, I guess they save a little weight so maybe, but its more like a race car bling thing.. At 8k they certainly drive up margins.

My issue is there really expesive and not really durable if you track. No serious civilian tracking uses ccb's for a reason.

Youre hitting something on the head about the "sticky" rubber. These types of tires are near pointless for the road, are noisy and have iffy grip untill up to temperature. In fairness on track Ive loved Yoko R888Rs on light elise, but theyre noisy as hell on road, hard riding and nowhere near as nice to steer as real road tires, baiscaly not even passably great for street. The Pirelli Trofeo rs were imo poor on track other than for 3 laps but ok on street.

they say the z06 sustains lap-times for 10 laps, which would be vast improvement. But realistically if you track you're unlikely to be running the tires the car came with past the first set.

in general if acar comes with drilled rotors it goes into my not serious list. If it has cermaics and bling without the option of deleting its goes into my 3 lap wonder bling list.

The serious cars come with grooved, j hook or flat steel rotors, pref heat treated. These can be found on camaros mustangs porches to name a few.
Calipers and nanny systems say a lot also. Whenever I hear that some "track" car has say willwood brakes it goes into the bin list. Cars that have overly intrusive systems you cant really shutoff, not serious, heres looking at you Mclaren.

Serious cars imo amongst oter atributes have paid attention to weight loss, real aero, cooling, brake systems seats etc, and come with the ability to easily add things you may well need for track, like neg camber adjustable roll bars. Its also no secret that for track you really dont need electronic shocks, although these are an attempt to make the car work on street too, so its a toss up.

What you need is adjustable suspenion, quality iron rotors, light breathable seats with great bolstering that can accept a harness, the ability to easily fit lightweight aftermarket wheels(light for track not necessarily durable for street), calipers for which pad changes are easy, iron rotors that are cost effective to replace.

The z06 z07 package may be the fastest in a test. But youre forced into the wrong seats and the wrong rotors. I guess like the carbon wheels it would be good to be able to delete the items that really dont work and keep the bits that do, seems thats not an option which is curious as this is a z06 after all, not a zr1..

 

I see one can get the competition seats with all specs.
So the downside to a z07 boils down to ccbs and a bunch of electronic "convenience features."
The upside is aero?

 

Nope, I've been tracking for 20 yrs and whenever I see a street car with CCB's I think "poser" and I've never been wrong about that.

 

in principle you’re correct. We could also make suspension out of titanium for a price. Gm and others could install 10k ohlins shocks for a big improvement, but that’s not bling or margin.

yes when they gt 500 came out with cf wheels it improved lap times.

no question reducing unsprung weigh is a bonus. Ccbs May work for Ferrari in f1 where rotors are replaced every time the car is run, and even there it’s more of a heat than a weight thing.

For a civilian car ccbs simply lack durability on track especially if you’re using aggressive pads or may come off the track. From a practical perspective they’re bling. Iron rotors are more durable last longer and crucially are easy and realtively cost effective to replace which means you’re more likely to actualy use the car on track. Iron rotors also have more or less the same stopping power. If you look at cars racing in gt4 it’s pretty much iron rotors for a reason, they work great.

cf wheels, yes that unsprung weight confers an advantage in steerin, braking and even acceleration. But realistically if you have a good set of metal track wheels the weight difference if minimal if at all. However those metal wheels are going to endure multiple tire changes and any damage is both visible and easy to repair. Plus the wheels will be 1/2 the cost. I’m referring to dedicated track wheels.

as to cf in the rest of a car, 99.5% on
Most cars it’s a pure bling and styling. That cf dash panel confers no structural benefit and it’s weigh saving is close on zero.

cf can be really stiff and light. So for drive shafts and heavy body panels etc I see the benefit, not to mention the tub. Yet even there an Alfa 4c weighted 600lbs more than an Elise and the mc 20 is hardley light. While the mclaren s are relatively light so is a metal gt3

there are many intelligent ways to save weight on a car if one is serious esp for track. Ccbs is not that.

I’d rather have relatively inexpensive and lighter painted carbon body panels, no electric seats thinner glass etc for real weight savings at the same cost as ccbs. But that’s not bling.

the cost of bling and replacing bling on track is huge, one of the reasons we hardley ever see a Ferrari on Track.

I agree yess ccbs and cf wheels confer a notional and measurable benefit. But one could get more benefit and sow thing far more useable and durable/trackable by adding more arpeproate bits elsewhere.

I bet anyone “seriously” tracking a z06 is going to loose the ccbs or certainly replace them once shot with iron. The Vette guys know this so why make us pay 8k up front

still porche makes gt customers buy center lock wheels witha re a pita and pointless so no one is perfect

 

The only reason why I'm getting CCB's on my ZO6 is because of the lack of brake dust with CCB's. I absolutely loathe brake dust!

My 2008 Ferrari 430 Scuderia came with CCB's and the car was so easy to keep clean because there was almost never any brake dust.

My ZO6 will NOT see track duty because there are much faster and less expensive alternatives for the track. I am getting carbon fiber bits and aero just because I like the way they look.

I have no delusions about this car being a "street legal race car" because it's definitely not. It's a cool car with a very unique powerplant (for a modern car).

 

this seems spot on in each pout and you’re reasoning makes sense. Love the conclusion.

I’m still looking for that holy grail car, the modern equivalent of a 250swb ie great on road and excellent on track.

yes race cars and street cars diverged down different branches decades agoZ but porche gt3 s seem to do it for a price in purchase and running costs.

my Elise certainly did it with-a wheel tire swap, but is really more of a small track car, like lrp.

I’ve been towing the track car to the track and that’s a whole order of madnitide more effort and commitment, which leads me to seek a car that can be driven to on and from the track. I’ll still tow the oter car but it’s nice to have something else for more casual days and something to take to Florida as a driver and maybe a little track over the winter.

I’m also a big believer in turn key factory sorted drivetrains, cause they work.

So the z06 in theory ticks a lot of boxes, if that dog can really hunt. The Camaros seemed to last time I was at the Glen.

yes it will always be limited by being a street car, but these days that seems to be less of a limitation than it once was When done right.

but you’re probably right when you say “I have no delusions about this car being a "street legal race car" because it's definitely not. It's a cool car with a very unique powerplant (for a modern car).”

im an optimist, I also think my 290 ho gulia is more than plenty for the street so to the extent I have “faster” cars I expect to excercise them fully on track. Which maybe makes one wonder why I still have a bbi, ah passion on the road is it’s own thing and ya gotta work that one to get speed which is it’s won reward.

horses for courses then

 

A GM spokesperson gave the following details to Jalopnik:

For Corvette Z06 and Escalade-V, if ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original owner within the first 12 months of delivery, the Bumper-to-Bumper, Powertrain, Sheet Metal, Tire and Accessory coverages will be voided.

For HUMMER EV, if ownership of the vehicle is transferred from the original owner within the first 12 months of delivery, the Bumper-to-Bumper, Electric Vehicle Propulsion, Sheet Metal, Tire and Accessory coverages under GM’s New Vehicle Limited Warranty will be voided. The Battery Warranty Coverage will not be affected for HUMMER EV.

 

They can try, I guess.