Market Prices 575 Manual vs 575 F1 (conversion costs) vs 550?

Certainly may have novelty in the future. And I have enjoyed my F1 575. That said, would you swap your 575 for a completely comparable 550 and $0 incremental?

 

Honestly not sure. I don't have enough seat time to know how a 550 Fiorano drives vs a comparable 575 Fiorano.

Another way of saying it....if the manual swap cost was, say $5000 and very vetted/all sorted...I would still not be certain I would swap over right now. Maybe when I get tired/frustrated with the F1 it will be a different story!

 

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Definitely!

 

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There is a valid point in that certain options appear to be much more common / easy to find in 575s then 550s. When I looking for a car it was less 550 vs 575 and more finding the car with the exact options/features/colors that I wanted (full service history/manuals/documents, all OEM parts included, FHP/Carbon interior, darker color exterior, interior with black dash/black steering wheel and complementary color, 550B vs Modular wheels, and sport > Daytona seats but not standard seats, Hifi with all OEM parts included/no hacked wiring). I was casually looking for years but never could find a car that hit all the points. I settled on one withOUT the sport seats and a set of Tubis which I am swapping back to OEM next week (fingers crossed).

 

I don’t want to give a false impression…. I am not one of those people who believe that it’s only OEM or sacrilege (hardly…but that is even more off topic!), rather I just really like having all of the original parts so when the mood swings the other way, can switch back without much hassle. This is more and more relevant as parts become more and more NLA.

 

I'm still not sure a modified 575 should be more valuable than an original and authentic 550. The 575 is an evolution, so in one sense it will always be the "better" car ; but by the same metric the F1 system is also "better" than the manual gearbox. So to me the lust for a converted 575 will always embed an internal contradiction. This being said, I have no issue with people doing what they like

 

Generally agree but I think there’s more nuance.

1) 575, questionable MT swap
2) 575 F1 driver
3) 575 driver, non OEM conversion
4) 550 driver
5) 575 very nice example, OEM conversion
6) 550 very nice example
7) 575 very nice example factory MT

I’d also expect the various categories not be evenly spread between the spectrum. I’d expect a bit of jump between 2 and 3-4. And then the most material jump to 5-7 with 6 + 7 separating from 5.

Something like:
1—2———3———-4———————5—————-6—-7

Also generally agree with this, and is exactly why I only consider OEM conversions, which are literally reconfigured in a way that is identical to factory specification, not modified in any way. In fact, I could probably form an argument that F1 is a modified manual transmission and we are therefore returning it to its purest original state with an OEM conversion. A non OEM project is, however, modified, and to me that a compromise of the Ferrari design. As I said above, an OEM Ferrari exhaust and OEM Ferrari gated transmission are very different things, an exhaust is far easier to substantiate as a subjective, personal choice, in my opinion. No matter what kind of marketing a non-OEM player does around “optimization of the shifting experience”, they are trying to validate their competition with an existing experience that is already simply perfect.

If Ferrari started offering reproduction packages in the identical spec of the original, who wouldn’t pick that over a non Factory alternative? Can’t imagine most people saying they wouldn’t. And if a new player entered the game with reproduction parts made to OEM spec, I’d slot that in above non OEM, Non-Ferrari spec.

 

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https://www.issimi.com/collections/buy/products/2005-ferrari-575m-maranello

Cheap!

 

I 'believe' this car has some issues ^ and the final price reflects the condition.



A buyer should attempt to purchase an existing 575 6spd conversion. Most likely this will save money when compared to paying out of pocket for the conversion of a good 575 F1.

 

There's an OEM conversion at Ferrari Scottsdale. Superficially, looks like a nice car.

 

At this price a buyer may as well pay more for a factory build that has potential to increase in price.



Does the price reflect the true market value.

Look at it this way: 575M F1 25,000 mile car (cost) + 6spd manual parts and labor (cost) =

 

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I believe the 6mt conversions warrant a good premium over conversion costs. It’s very hard to source the conversion parts, only a few shops are doing them, and at very long waits, with the car totally out of commission. Someone went through a lot of legwork. So much easier just to buy it after it’s done, so it’s fair to put a premium on that.

 

This is an interesting car for sale: https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2008-ferrari-599-gtb-fiorano-2

The seller states that the manual conversation was done at a Ferrari dealer. That sounds strange, but the letter in the image gallery does seems to confirm it was done at Scuderia Grand Tourismo, Official Ferrari Service...

 

Post in the 599 forum and the owner will answer your questions.