Official 308 GT4 Market Thread

A 1984, fully restored, 512BBi sold at RM Sotheby’s in March 2022 for $462,000.00. I think the Sotheby’s sale is more apples to apples when comparing the market of the restored GT4 to BBi.

 

New cars are very exciting beautiful and expensive, old cars are cool...... Pretty bummed out I didn't win the lottery I was gonna buy a 250 GTO....

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That's EXACTLY the same situation I find myself in, and that's when my GT4 was red. I might not even be able to get out of it once it makes its debut in green!

 

I get what your saying but you have to consider what it would cost to have a car win a show ( if you are into that) and what a 512BBi cost to maintain.

 

Yeah, priceless and timeless territory. A good place to be and return to.

Congrats on the GT4 and the SF90. Serious time travel.

 

For sure. I wasn't suggesting that particular BB and that particular GT4 was apples to apples. It was an example what $220k would get you.

Nice BB's are $200k+
Nice GT4's are not $200k+

I agree that in today's market, above about $100k for a GT4 you start thinking about what other cars that amount can buy. Irrespective of practicality etc.

 

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Did the 308 GT4 have options for matching leather color dash? ie... not black.

 

That is the same color as mine!

Question for you… is that yours? If it is, any chance you have paint sticker still attached and could take a good photo of it for me??

 

I do not know for a fact if matching leather dash was an option for the 308 GT4, but I have have never seen one with dash that wasn't black. I think that was the only way they came. I've been around a whole lot of GT4s, not to mention all the photos out there.

 

I think the dashes were all originally black vinyl. I've never seen one that wasn't.

 

Good day All,

I see this comment from time to time all and from my experience the cost to maintain a Boxer is slightly above the cost to maintain the 308's I had. Usual maintenance part prices can be relatively comparable (e.g. belts and tensioners are the same as on a 308, oil filter, etc). There is no question that some Boxer parts can be eye watering expensive, but these are not replaced very often and at times not at all. It is true that the Boxer requires an engine out (EO) to replace the belts, but this was by design and is not that big of a deal (about 6-7 hours to remove and about the same to put back in) and without the need of a hoist (you do need a cherry picker or a block and tackle, etc). Once the engine is out one has full access to everything and so other services can be done more efficiently. Sadly, the infamous Boxer maintenance costs were the result of shops charging excessively for the various services... either because of a lack of knowledge, skill, or less honorable intentions. A recent carbed Boxer sale disclosed a number of services performed and in several cases the costs were 3-4 as much as they should be. The biggest issue with a Boxer is finding a shop that truly knows these cars and charges reasonably.

With regards to a Boxer or GT4 comparison... they are completely different cars and so a direct comparison cannot be made. The boxer and its engine are simply magnificent and has gobs of power and torque that a 308 simply cannot match without being tweaked... which can also be done to the Boxer. The boxer is very comfortable to drive and is completely mild mannered even in daily traffic and does not make any fuss in whatever gear you are in and has zero overheating issues. You can lug the engine as low as 1000 RPM with no complaints. The clutch is not heavy at all (512BB and onwards), as it is hydraulic. Steering is also not an issue. If people complain about the boxer's steering and clutch, then they really should go the gym. Daily driving a Boxer is not a problem except if you live in very warm and humid climates, as the windscreen size/rake really make for a greenhouse within the cabin. Amplifying this is the Centre tunnel which encases the cooling lines which happily radiate their heat inside. Another factor is the significant lack of storage... The boxer has minimal storage and so one has to travel very light and/or without a passenger. With that said the GT4 is equally a great car in its own right. The engine/suspension is fantastic and is very nimble. The GT4's design provide for more universal use because of the back seats (or parcel shelf on some cars) and a trunk/boot. In my case I was able to carry 2 passengers routinely (1 sat across the back seats) and at one time I had 4 ... I was "forced" to provide transport to some pleasant models from a photo shoot. Interestingly, the Boxer is only 100mm longer in size than a Euro GT4 and about 88mm shorter than a North American GT4 and so both cars are relatively comparable in size.

Given the above, the decision of which one to select should be based upon you like and your intended use. Maintenance costs will be slightly more on a Boxer, but not nearly as excessive as what has been posted unless you are unable to find a suitable shop or unable to work on the car yourself.

Cheers,

Sam

 

Reason I posted it.

Not my car. I'll check re: sticker. Is there something specific from it that interests you?

 

No paint decal on that car. It's verde pino right?

 

Yep, verde pino, that is correct. I have a blank reproduction paint sticker and I'm trying to look at as many as possible just to compare and make sure I get right when I stamp the code in. Here's my car, just days from being finished (since I took this shot, the windshield has been installed).

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Here's a blue and a red one if they help.

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Pretty decent site that tracks sales…

https://www.classic.com/m/ferrari/dino/308-gt4/

 

When comparing the BAT auction results of 14972, which sold for 220k and 11104 which sold 100k I’m think the buyer of 11104 got a bargain. 11104 seems, by the pictures, to be a more correct car. One gripe I have with 11104 is the rear window seal wasn’t remove (super easy removal) before painting. Other than that 11104 looks like a more correct car.

 

Could you please explain what details you felt were wrong? Much appreciated.

 

I can tell you that 11104 is a very, very correct car. I've seen that one, and actually wanted to buy it as I was in the market then. The things I see that aren't actually "correct" (meaning it wouldn't have left the factory that way) for 14972 (the $220k car) are this:

1. No horse ever came mounted on the grille of a 308 GT4
2. Door panels don't have quilted lines in the leather for US models
3. Speakers (tweeters) added under the dash shouldn't exist
4. Ashtray has modern stereo equipment mounted inside
5. Interior carpet is incorrect
6. Rear seatbelts not installed correctly
7. Trunk carpet is not complete
8. Speakers under the floor mats in the rear shouldn't exist
9. Side view mirror is not correct for 1979
10. Owners manual is incorrect (it's 1975, should be 1979)
11. Paint sticker is not correct for 1979

Those are the things I noticed, it's possible Nino1964 has noticed even more. All those things are very easily reversible if you want the car to be 100% factory correct, but as presented on BaT, it was not a 100% correct car (despite winning first in class at Cavallino).

Car 11104 (the $100k car), on the other hand, had absolutely nothing that was not factory correct. I've seen that car a few times in person, and I go to the same mechanic that serviced that car.

If you were shopping for a car that was 100% factory correct that you wouldn't have to revert anything back, then 11104 is the better car. They are both absolutely gorgeous and beautiful cars, I'd be honored to own either one of them.

 

Has anyone else noticed that it looks like the original head lining, sun visors, sunroof lining remains but the rest of the car has been retrimmed in a tan leather and they don’t match. There’s a specific photo of the head lining where you can see the retrimmed B-Pillars and seats and they clearly aren’t the same

 

Thanks for reply. 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11 are the interesting ones. The others were all simple and reversible.

Appreciate it.

 

Does anyone know who's GT4 this was that did not sell in June on BAT?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-ferrari-308-gt4-32/

I wanted to reach out to him to see how much he wants for it.

 

In regards to the door panels, '75 US cars had smooth leather inserts, later cars had pleated inserts.

 

I was wondering if that was the case, I know some things changed from Series I to Series II models. It was my prior understanding that was a Euro thing.