The end of Ferrari, as we know it

You know Pierro has gone on the record as far back as 20 years ago (on video no less) saying his father would be the first to embrace electric and hybrid? I've posted the video here many times. Here, I'll do you a solid, posted again below.

 

"I think he (Enzo) would be very happy with Ferrari. He would been happy with the technological developments as well. He (Enzo) would have been fascinated with angle of producing hybrid or electric vehicles. He would have been the first to do it. He would have been the first to look to the future."

-Piero Ferrari

The most important thing to notice here is the video was created before all these current changes, it was made years before hybrids/electric cars were more common. So it can't be Pierro trying to justify current changes.
(start at 5:00 if you want to skip to Piero's comments)

A lot of folks today like to disagree with Enzo's own son. I've even met lots of folks like @Behave that seem to think he knows more than Pierro about what his father would have liked.

Please do not get mad if I agree with Enzo's family, particularly his son. After all, I love Enzo and would love to carry on his philosophy. I get many don't. Each passing year, I understand why Enzo regarded many of his customers the way he did.

 

Thank you for that delightful vid my friend, very eye-opening.

 

I think this is good first stab at a EV supercar

 

Hogwash. Enzo Ferrari was never early to adopt new technology be it disc brakes or engine placement.
Ferrari as a company has changed to suit the new generation of their customer base who are obsessed with electronics, and performance numbers the way a teenage boy is obsessed with breast size. This has all been accelerated by the transition to a public company and the need to satisfy the stockholders,

 

This will keep you busy for many years to come. Most Ferrari customers are in love with LDMs Ferrari and not Enzo’s.

“Many are born with a stopwatch in their hands but few are willing to tie their entire livelihood to it” - those that do, truly understand the disease/curse. Some say LDM was able to find a cure while others say he never had the disease. Regardless, luckily there was a LDM so it really doesn’t matter which Ferrari we love.

My guess is Enzo would pick the 296, while LDM would pick the 812C

Good Luck


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Ferrari was one of the first to come out with a hybrid [La Ferrari] in 2013, long before Lamborghini's [Sián] in 2019.

 

He’s talking about Enzo, and he’s correct.

 

I find this odd, given anything pre-70.

True, true...

My guess is Enzo would actually pick a Purosangue if he needed to drive around, LDM the next hypercar.

 

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Again, please do not get upset if I agree with Enzo Ferrari's own son about his father and not some random person on the internet.

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You're confusing F1 vs Road cars.

Enzo feared mid-engine road cars would be too dangerous for the average driver. It wasn't a performance question, but one of safety.

As for Drum brakes?

C'mon now. 1958 Italian Grand Prix, Monza

Jim Hawthorn's Dino was fitted with disc brakes from Peter Collins' road-going Ferrari, which Enzo approved.

I mean, what is the most significant mechanical whinge about Ferrari?

"Flappy Paddles

1979 312T => 1989 640 => 1997 F355
(FIRST Exp) (FIRST Win) (FIRST ROAD CAR)

 

Agree entirely with this, Lamborghini made the a mid engine car....Ferrari made another front engine car. Jaguar used disc brakes, Ferrari used drums. It is only latterly that Ferrari has been chasing a technological advantage, in my view this started with the 430 in 2004.

Is more tech better.....well that is another debate!

 

To the gentleman mentioning the La Ferrari, please differentiate the man Enzo Ferrari and the public company. If memory serves me correctly was not the hybrid La Ferrari about the same time as the Porsche and McLaren hypercars all of which were hybrids.

 

If the question is, "Is Ferrari always the first" for every technological innovation?"

I admit my previous post positioned that way, and detractors are fair to that point. However, development is part of the fabric of sport itself; change and innovation is litearlly part of the competition.

Ferrari won't be the first to win a championship with a novel technology every year. I mean, just because they were the first to win with paddles or comprex wave superchargers, of course there will be some years where other developments outpace them.

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The core question I remind folks is not if Ferrari constantly changes first, but *IF* they should change at all.

Is it still in doubt that Ferrari will adapt to whatever underlying technology gives an advantage on the track?

 

Ok thx

 

I agree with you to the extent that lessons learnt on the track are brought to the road cars but would you say its fair that this has probably happened more over the last 20 odd years than the 20 years prceeding?

If they should change at all depends on the point of view whether the road ahead is one with a future or one simply created by "interests" as it were.

 

Nothing wrong with analyzing Enzo.

I admit my post argues Enzo would be the first to embrace every new technology (by directly quoting his son.)

I agree that doesn't seem to pan out with a lot of historical behavior.

I think the disagreement lies with one key piece of missing context.

Let me rephrase what I think Pierro meant.

"I think my father would be the first to embrace any technology proved to him (Enzo) to provide an advantage on the track."

Now what it takes to 'prove to him.' I'm sure it can be debated ad Infinitum.

 

I would say yes, but because change/innovation has been accelerating, naturally, you'll see this pace increase on the road cars as well.

I can read between the lines and point out that these "interests" (even if one disagrees with them) - do not have power over physics or economics*.

I sound like a broken record, but lap times, speed traps, and track records don't have any social-political agenda. A 0-60 time achieved by a car in a particular price bracket is the same regardless of the 'interests' of the person driving it.

*I'm sure some commentary about subsidies will be brought up. I merely request one tallies it up for both industries and compare.

 

Sure new tech is great but at what point does tech take away from the overall experience rather than add to it? Is going faster making the car "better" but of course the consumer wants to go faster but what if the consumer suddenly wants a more involving car, a car with a great sounding engine. People are not suddenly going to not want those things, if anything cars like the T50 and SP3 show that people really do want cars like that.

The day a Ferrari does not make me "feel" something is day that car will cease to be a Ferrari.

 

I can't agree with you more! That's why after experiencing the 296, I can say - I am neither put to sleep nor did I feel it was a Prius.

It would appear the vast majority of other people that test drove agree with me.

Not to mention Car and Driver, Motortrend, and Road and Track (for what it's worth.)

Kind regards.

 

How did Ferrari get the 296 so wrong when they did a lot right with SF90 and La Ferrari?

 

I think you may have misunderstood my post. Everybody I know, including me feels the 296 is a blast to drive. Now in terms of looks, I’m on record liking the previous gen more. Not saying it’s ugly by many means! Just prefer the lines of the 458/488/F8.

 

As someone who was fortunate to drive a 296 quite early on, if Ferrari can go ahead with cars like that with that sort of emotive powertrain I for one will not worry too much!

 

I saw this, I also think it’s funny some folks *here* will try to out bonfide an F1 Champion, and call him a sell out. Can you imagine someone criticizing Stephen Curry on his style of play as somehow detrimental to the “purity” of the sport? Oh wait we don’t have to imagine.

 

Indeed my friend!!!

 

Did 296 replace those previous models?