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  1. Marcel Massini

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    #2976 Marcel Massini, Aug 4, 2022
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    See my post of 9 June 2022, post #2733.
    That should answer your question(s).


    Underneath the 2035 GT is 2021 GT stamped.
    Under the last two digits 35 are two digits 21.
    Or you can say that 35 has been stamped over the 21.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  3. Frank_Ford

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    Thank you, sir, for clearing this up. To me the photo had been ambiguous, which set of numbers were stamped on top of which.

    Again, I have read (hopefully) all those replies you patiently posted after post #2733 and the photos. But I don't see any response as to which of the cars had been at which period race, depending on when the 3-way renumbering had occurred.

    1931GT-> renumbered -> 2021GT -> Gooding UK
    2021GT-> renumbered -> 2035GT -> Red Book Certified in 2015, U.S.
    2035GT-> renumbered -> 1931GT -> Currently being certified @ factory. CH.

    If the renumbering occurred after late July 1960, after the #82 crash at the 3rd race of Trophée d'Auvergne 6 Heures, then on that day were Noblet / Cavrois / Dumay driving today's 2021GT or today's 2035GT, presumedly the #22 Le Mans car? In that case the #82 and #22 history belongs to today's U.S. car?

    Dito, was the #18 Le Mans car the "original" 1931GT car (thus today's 2021GT / Gooding), or did the "original" 2035GT appear at Le Mans in June, so that this #18 history belongs to today's CH car?

    I apologize in advance if this had all been spelled out before - I didn't see replies to previous inquiries on which past/current identity of which car goes with those mid 1960 races.
     
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  4. amenasce

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    Hi,

    I am sure someone will poke great holes in this but;
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    Original 2035 which is now 1931 in Switzerland was never at Le Mans in 1960.
     
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  6. Sempre_gilles

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    I have a question on chassis 1931 GT (2021 GT). In my lists I have entries for both the 6th Rallye d'Elbeuf (24-25.04.1965) and the 1st Course de Cote de Belbeuf (05.09.1965) with Guy Rivillon as driver. Several sources are mixing dates and results for these two events and now I am confused: did Rivillon entered the rally, the hillclimb or perhaps both?.
     
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    #2983 Sempre_gilles, Aug 10, 2022
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    I have read this description carefully and found it a bit sloppy in places. Besides the "6° Rallye d'Elbeuf" versus "1° Corse de Côte de Belbeuf" confusion I mentioned in post #2982, there is

    "FIA GT Cup at Brands Hatch, UK, July 1989 ; this is the "Brands Hatch Historic Superprix" in 3 - 4 June 1989
    "Coys Historic Race Festival at Silverstone, UK, July 1992"; in 1992 this festival was sponsored by Christie
    "Ferrari Days at Monza, Italy, October 2001"; these are the "Tutte le Ferrari in Monza" days
    "Tutte le Ferrari in Pista at Misano, Italy, October 2002"; event was called "Finali Mondiali" by then

    Why carefully investigating and detailing all the chassis number swapping and then write down an auction description full of half (in)accuracies?
     
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    I know, but Iook at the green arrows...
     
  16. miurasv

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    Ah, I see. You mean it looks jacked up and high at the back? If so, I commented and asked about it here.
     
  17. amenasce

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    OK, simple suspension ajustment I guess ?
    Nice to see it with the right front and would love to see it with n°114.
     
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  19. miurasv

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    Yes, the car now has the correct rear number plate light too.
     
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    I have little knowledge of such rare beasts (and not that motivated to do research), but it looks to me like the car is simply not finished, and possibly has a lot of stuff missing from the back end; for example I don’t see the usual exhaust tips. Now of course in a car like that, maybe the exhaust does not weigh that much, but in a lot of cars, if you pull the exhaust, the rear will sit noticeably high...
     
  21. miurasv

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    It has side pipes.
     
  22. gcalex

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    Ah, ok, missed that.

    Still, I continue to think the car looks like it is atypically unloaded; almost like a car that does not have its engine in it.

    Even if the fuel tanks were completely empty, that seems like an awful lot of "lift"...
     
  23. Enzo Anselmo Ferrari

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    i think the car is finished and has its engine, fuel tank, gearbox…
    I saw a video on Instagram with the car running!

    Maybe it’s just the suspension that has to be set up!
     
  24. miurasv

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    You have a valid point. 3413 GT latterly had the full length exhausts which would be heavier so perhaps PR have not compensated the suspension for the new shorter and lighter side pipes, which 3413 GT had in period.
     
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