Ferrari is F1’s marketing platform. I do actually believe that the Scuderia enjoy competition and LeMans is a better competition and closer to a race.
If Le Mans went full electric it would have to become either the One hour of Le Mans (to account for range) or the Forty Eight hours of Le Mans (to allow for recharging).
Less fuel (in terms of energy content rather than mass) and lower peak flow because a smaller proportion of the total power will be produced by the ICE. The actual mass of fuel permitted will vary with the fuel itself, as different (waste) feedstocks will have different energy density, so F1 will now become an interesting platform for OEMs and fuel suppliers to develop and compare the performance of different net-zero fuels.
surely if we're talking eFuels going 100% eFuel and zero electricity is the best way to see performance differences? The Shells, BP's and so on on of this world would very much like to sponsor a (hypothetical) 3500cc V10 pure atmospheric 100% zero carbon fuel I'd imagine, many eyes on Formula 1 and an exciting engine can only ever be a good thing.
I think that you are getting that wrong. Speaking about SHELL (I worked for 15 years, and still follow their business), they are fully behind researches to produce electricty from renewable sources, and spend a lot of money converting their filling stations into charging areas. It looks to me they have been conviced by legislation (and tax incentives no doubt) that the car market will switch progressively to electric during the next decade (in Europe at least), and they are gearing for it. Most investors in F1, including sponsors, want to project an image of innovation and progress, not looking back to old technology. Trying to promote the V10 atmo to cult status won't work, it now belongs to the museum.
It's a symbiotic relationship. It goes both ways. If that were true, there wouldn't be a need for the Challenge series. If you want the most competition watch go kart racing. Right, nobody does. As nobody watches Le Mans. I like Le Mans and the 24 hours. For about an hour or so. It's nice and historic but nowhere near the popularity nor technical nor driver talent that F1 is. If you're washed up in F1, go to Le Mans (or DTM or Indycar).
The challenge series is fun for its drivers and has been critical in developing platforms and reliability. Endurance racing is always fantastic and they’ve done pretty well there.
Fair enough, from the race fan point of view. But the fact is that both the currently participating and incoming OEMs want to keep the hybrid concept for its relevance to the direction of their own road car development (as well its image value). All projections – even those from the most politically green sources – indicate that by 2050 about two thirds of private vehicles on the road will still use hydrocarbon fuels and that the vast majority of those will be hybrids.
Spot on, William. By the way, I also worked for Shell as a consultant for five years, and can confirm that they are very active – perhaps the most active of the majors – in expanding into future energy supply infrastructure. For example, when BMW had their fleet of prototype H2 7-series cars on the road in California a few years ago, it was Shell who installed H2 refuelling equipment at a select number of filling stations to support the programme. Shell's efforts in this area are continuing: Image Unavailable, Please Login
But without the MGU-H all the energy harvesting is based solely on braking. Are we actually going to see slower speeds as the MGU-K is used to accelerate and then the lower ICE output cannot sustain the same speeds as current.
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If we are both still around in 15 years I am going to remind you that you were wrong about ICE and Ferrari Ferrari ICE 2040 and beyond!!
You live in a different continent, so I don't know what legislation will apply for you, but in Europe no ICE will be sold after 2035. European manufacturers will be forced to go electric. That has already been voted in the European Parliament. You can check. An exception will be made for small constructors (less than 1000 cars per year), but only for 3 years, and under certain conditions. Ferrari is already making hybrid cars, which is the first step before going fully electric.
Well I hope we're both around in 15 years and I also hope I'm wrong about Ferrari going full electric.
I'm sure Tommy is aware of all that. The real question is whether we believe that the EU will actually stick to its plan or not. I have read stories about Ferrari working on an electric only car. The other question is whether Ferrari would continue building ICE for sales outside of the EU: They have a big market in the US and in Asia. So who knows.
Yes, we will see, but the present shortage of energy in Europe following the Ukraine conflict has given more impetus for a switch to electric power. The car manufacturers are certainly taking it seriously.
With the Porsche Zero Carbon fuel (and many more like it) and the EU already struggling for power demands, there frankly is NO WAY they'll be able to say no more ICE cars by 2035. They already amended it by opening the door for zero carbon cars, lol.
I hope that in ten years when the EU collapses economically due to it's own misguided policies, USA can bail it out and changes the rules.
Europe was supplied heavily with Russian oil. Now that that has taken a hit, Europe is firing up their coal and nuclear energy plants once again. Liquid natural gas looks to be at exorbitant prices come winter time.
So stupid given that the Netherlands is sitting on one of the largest natural gas reserves on the planet. All they have to do is turn the taps on
Seems to me with 0 carbon fuel they should turn the ICE to 12. The battery part dirty end to end. SO silly.
