''Remember, Ferrari dismantled their V12 team when they publicly fired Leiters,'' before working for ferrari Mr leiters did not even work on a v12 engine and never will while working at mclaren. so it's up to ferrari, if they want to continue the v12 development or not.
6.5l V12 plus 48V mild Hybrid, AMS Germany as from August 24, 2022 says. The F167 called 812 successor shall appear in 2024…
maybe this is the one-off you both are referring to... more>>> https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ufo-unidentified-ferrari-object.661366/#post-148600554 judging by the nature of the roma based mule and the frequency of testing on public roads indicates this could be a regular production-car prototype, a.k.a 812 replacement.
I didn’t follow the entire thread, sorry. Introduction may be end of 2023, first deliveries in 2024. Hybrid seems to be an obligation for all future Ferraris.
If battery in LaFerrari or SP90 will broke, you can use this cars without battery with full performance as non hybrid car?
I do not believe any Ferrari hybrid will function if the electric battery is flat, and the SF90 uses electric only for reverse gear, without that battery it will be very difficult to drive however the ECUs will likely prevent the car from moving if the electric battery or inverter or electric motors have failed.
I believe the public firing of Leiters and not replacing his role with a suitable "technology officer" with credible ICE engine experience and the fact that the future hypercar is a V8/turbo/hybrid and the fact that V12 engines are shown as a "flat line" (image below)...and the rumor that Vigna was ready to terminate to the F167 project, that would of left only the limited edition FUV to use a V12 and it will be succeeded by an all electric version, it seems apparent that Elkann has no desire to continue the V12 beyond what it is now, each of the Iconas use a V12 sourced from regular production with a few tweaks. It will be very telling if the next Icona is not a V12 or simply uses a slightly tweaked (or identical) version used in the SP3. As has been previously discussed, the existing V12 is at its maximum potential and to move to higher performance will require a new design and a new block, I do not see that happening, do you? Image Unavailable, Please Login
I don't, only because they are a public company with obligations and ESG will dictate they prioritize things other than what we as enthusiasts want.
What we really need is some mega billionaire Ferrari enthusiast to take Ferrari back private and save the company from the impending doom that is ESG.
You shouldn't think like that... the power of a V12 NA front center does not need 950 or 1000 hp. There is consensus that the improvement is enough, and it is !
Understand the problem, there are people in the company who are convinced that everyone expects hybrids and electric 1500 hp like the messiah. NA motors no longer interest them, they are disconnected, even if for you it seems hard to believe. That's how it is and it's sad. Buy the 167 and turn the page looking back You want a name: F 167 tributo !
I would always comment to those that said the F140 was capped out at 6xx hp that Ferrari would get much more out of it. Now with the F140 engine in the SP3 putting out 830 hp I have to agree its pretty tapped out or very close. Without a new design, which the previous team would certainly deliver, its not going to happen. Would take a shake up at Ferrari and even in the industry against political headwinds. Its tweaks, followed by hybrids, followed by full electric for the V12 horizon. Even extreme VIPs won't get a V12 after that.
I think from a marketing standpoint if the Aventador replacement has 1000 hp, the 812 replacement has too as well. Not sure this is possible from a non assisted NA V12. Not saying that I agree with it as a necessity, but Ferrari does participate in the horsepower and performance wars, unlikely, say--Lotus
Understood, but, historically there has always been an increase in power...interesting you are thinking the same as I here, V12 remains without changes or very slight, mostly due to emissions regulations.
If that’s the case what will be the appeal of a new production series variant sold in thousands of examples for way more than the superfast while the competition ( lambo) are offering 1000+ hp?
The appeal is the pure, classic Ferrari V12 N/A experience. The F167's audience doesn't prioritize numbers, even though they know it will be incredibly fast. The 812 is already at the pinnacle of what a front-end V12 needs to deliver in performance. And think the F167 will be even more. As the F167 is not a hybrid, it does not have the function of competing in "numbers" with the future Lambo, but the role of offering a pure V12 experience. To compete in the "war of numbers" with the new Lambo, there is the SF90, with its 1000 hp, hybrid, turbo, mid-engine layout. And soon the next (and even faster) versions of the SF90 will come. In addition, Ferrari's upcoming hyper will also offer extreme performance. In my view, the "competition" between the F167 and the future Lambo will be in the offer of a "V12 under the hood", but not in numbers.
