Pastry Chef has not made a good impression down the pitwall at all LOL!...
Pastry Chef has not made a good impression down the pitwall at all LOL! https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wolff-questions-piastris-this-is-wrong-f1-tweet/10359284/ In the wake of Fernando Alonso’s move to Aston Martin, Alpine moved quickly to confirm its intention to give Piastri the race seat. However, the team was already well aware that Piastri had also signed a contract with McLaren, and intended to race for the Woking outfit. Piastri quickly took to social media to make it clear that he had no intention of taking up the Alpine seat, concluding his post with “this is wrong and I have not signed a contract with Alpine for 2023. I will not be driving for Alpine next year". Piastri’s snubbing of the team that invested in his career has not been well received across the paddock, especially by teams that also run junior programmes and support drivers as they make their way through the ranks. “I have bigger problems than enjoy to sit on the balcony like in The Muppet Show to watch the show pan out in front of my eyes,” Wolff said when asked by Autosport what he thought of the driver market situation. “I think it's important that junior programmes are being respected. I think some of the kids should be wary on Twitter what they said about multinational organisations. But I have no insight into the contracts. “I believe in karma, I believe in integrity. But I'm not here to judge because as I said, I don't know the legal situation.” Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner, who has seen dozens of drivers pass through the drink company’s junior programme over the years, also stressed the importance of loyalty. “I don’t fully understand it, because contractually, that should just never happen,” he told Sky F1. “I think if Renault and Alpine have invested into his junior career, it’s because you invest in youth because you’re investing in it for the future, and there has to be an element of loyalty within that. “So I don’t understand obviously contractually what’s going on there. But for him to be even in a position to think that he doesn’t have to drive for Alpine next year, obviously shows there’s something not right. “Hopefully it’ll get sorted. He’s another great young talent. He drove for the Arden team in Formula 4, Formula Renault, so I know him pretty well. “He’s a great talent that should be on the grid. Probably there’s been a bit more mess around his debut than there should be.” Alpine boss Otmar Szafnauer made it clear that the team will review its support of junior drivers. “There's lessons to be learned for sure,” said the American. “So we'll have a good backwards look and like anything we'll analyse, and if there's a few things we can do better I'm sure we'll incorporate those in our future dealings.”
In future, Alpine should be more savvy when writting contracts to avoid disappointment. That should include bulletproof clauses to prevent anyone to renege on his obligations. As for McLaren, did they intent to ride roughshod over the Alpine contract and get away with it?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/how-crb-decision-will-decide-piastris-f1-fate/10359998/ How CRB decision will decide Piastri’s F1 fate A virtual meeting of the Contract Recognition Board on Monday is set to decide the Formula 1 future of Oscar Piastri. Image Unavailable, Please Login By:Adam Cooper Aug 29, 2022, 10:32 AM Image Unavailable, Please Login The Alpine and McLaren teams both have a claim on the Australian's services for 2023. They are obliged by the Concorde Agreement to abide by the decision of the CRB, and not pursue further legal action in attempt to get that ruling changed. Formed in the wake of the controversy resulting from Michael Schumacher’s move from Jordan and Benetton and Roberto Moreno’s subsequent ousting from the latter, the CRB usually operates quietly in the background, only hitting the headlines when a high-profile dispute arises. It is referenced in the FIA Sporting Regulations under Appendix 5, but that section is actually blank, with a note saying “reserved for the exclusive use of competitors entered in the FIA Formula One World Championship.” The full details of how it operates are enshrined in the Concorde, and are thus not widely known, even within the F1 paddock. The CRB exists independently of the FIA. Its role is to tell the governing body which team has a valid contract with a driver, and is entitled to hold a superlicence on their behalf. Its day-to-day function is a repository for all F1 race, reserve and test driver contracts, or at least the key sections – teams aren’t necessarily obliged to submit all the paperwork, as full contracts are complex and cover marketing matters and so on. When a dispute arises three lawyers convene and review the evidence from all parties. They are required supply an outcome within three days of the hearing. Two of the most famous CRB cases saw a driver’s original team win, and the outfit hoping to poach him lose. That happened when David Coulthard tried to leave Williams for McLaren in 1995, and when Jenson Button wanted to move from BAR to Williams a decade later. Image Unavailable, Please Login David Coulthard stuck with Williams for 1995, but moved to McLaren for the following year Photo by: Motorsport Images One man who has experience of the CRB process – and who got the outcome that he wanted - is Timo Glock. In the days before video calls his hearing was conducted in person. As is often the case the dispute revolved around the details of an option. "I was test driver BMW Sauber in 2007,” the German told Autosport. “And then I had the offer for a race seat at Toyota, and BMW had to take the option to put me into a race seat, which they didn't do. But they at that stage, they said they did. “I cannot even remember how many guys they were sitting in the room, but there were lawyers involved who look on both sides. Everyone has to give his statement. BMW put their opinion on the table. And we had our opinion. And then they clearly make the decision. "They decided there is no offer from BMW for a seat, I've got one from Toyota, and I'm free to go. It was a bit of an awkward situation, but we had to go there, because in our point of view and that of the CRB the situation was clear. "They wanted to keep me as a reserve, but in the end there was anyway no race seat, they didn't take the option that they had on me. So it was pretty easy, and it was quickly done. I think on Monday maybe it takes a bit longer!" Glock says it was a good process: "If you have problems like this, and you have a sort of a clear view from an outside lawyer or from the board, who clearly has no favour, and it just goes by the legal regulation, I think that's good to have. Otherwise, you would fight forever. "It's going to be interesting how they decide on Piastri, and what sort of legal situation they are in. Every side has its own view." Image Unavailable, Please Login Glock's move to Toyota resulted in a race seat for 2008 Photo by: Sutton Images Should Alpine win the CRB case it doesn’t necessarily mean that Piastri will actually race for the Enstone team in 2023. Given the animosity surrounding his attempts to move to McLaren it’s apparent that the relationship has soured so much that in effect forcing him to drive would make little sense for either side. In that case Alpine would have the option to name its price and sell him to McLaren. However Alpine could in theory also entertain interest from other teams that might want to hire Piastri, or trade him with someone who has a contract elsewhere, such as Pierre Gasly. If McLaren is not able to land Piastri, either via the CRB decision or a subsequent deal with Alpine, it will have to find someone else to replace Daniel Ricciardo. If Alpine loses there is also the possibility that legal action could follow, although not in terms of pursuing its claim on his services. Team boss Otmar Szafnauer has indicated that Alpine would consider a damages claim in order to recoup the funds spent on his test programmes and so on.
I'm bias on this, I admit. I hope Piastri wins his case. It's big multinational Renault against the "little guy". Alpine should be ashamed of claiming anything back, IMO.
Very true, but this is a very risky investment without any garantee of return. Anything can happend to a racing driver, God forbids. Sponsoring a young driver is a bit like betting the bank on a precarious asset !!! What would Renault do if Piastri was unable to fulfil their expectations? Sue him for a refund ? Let's be serious here ! Renault gets a sore ass because they didn't write a tight contract, or fail to check its expiry date, and consequently a precious "commodity" is about to slip through its fingers. No more .
Yo Well, that's another issue, we don't know the contract details. But whatever deserves each one has nothing to do with this.
I already said I was bias on this. Methink there must have been several loopholes in Piastri's contract to make his manager, Mark Webber, believe that he was free to offer his client's services to another team. I don't think Webber is an idiot, nor than he acted without legal advice. Alpine probably never saw that coming, believing Piastri had nowhere to go. I hope Piastri wins; nothing worst than driving for a team you don't want to or being "farmed out" with no say in it.
For everyone who is not asleep, it's very clear what hapened. Alonso is linked to Briatores, and Piastri to Webber....Webber a former Briatore driver who also knows Andrea Seidl from Mclaren. Alonso and Webber are friends, and they both keep an excelent relationship with Flavio. Webber knew exactly the deadline for Alpine to retain Piastri's services, and so did Briatore. So, they all got together and figured a way to put Oscar at mclaren and Alonso at Aston. Alonso deliberatly dragged the negotiations untill Piastri's deadline, so they wouldn't confirm him, this way, as soon as the deadline was finished, alonso jumped ship and so did Piastry! All the handywork of Flavio. Alonso left simply for money, he knows his days are numbered, so he might as well get the ebst possible contract, and Stroll pays a lot better, and lance is a lot slower than Ocon, and let's face it, better drive an Aston than an Alpine, and for 2 years instead of one that wa swhat he was gettin at Alpine. As fro Oscar, Went for the ebxt future option, in the long run i would also bet on Mclaren over Alpine.
Possible, and why not. But I cannot see where Alonso, Briatore, Piastri or Webber did anything devious here. There is absolutely nothing wrong for these guys to look after their own interest, even if they screw Alpine! You say yourself 2 years are better than one, and driving for McLaren or Aston Martin is better than staying at Alpine. Whoever looks after contracts at Renault was caught napping, and fail to check the deadline on the option for Piastri.
I don't see anything wrong either, i never said i did, although i believe Oscar should show some gratitude for the team that basicaly paid for his carreer....but, i get it that he wasn't sure if he was going to race or not, so he tried to secure his future elsewhere. As for Flavio, he'll get his share of the cake for his troubles, but i suspect, he would do it for free, just to get back a Renault for sacking him after the crashgate!
Right now Alpine looks like a better team than McLaren. I'm not sure if that is because Ricci is so much slower than Norris or if the car is just a dog. Piastri might be making a mistake going there instead of showing loyalty to the team that nurtured his junior career. I don't blame him for trying to exert some control over his future but I'm not sure McLaren is a better bet.
Right now are the key words here ! Renault has been in and out of F1 several times, even lived under different identities as Lotus, now Alpine. Next to Ferrari, Renault/Alpine is another dysfunctional team constantly troubled by changes of management.
Yes. SO much for him to lose now. He is a 'rookie' so we shall see. If he has a dreadful first season then fire Zak LOL
If confirmed, it's very good new, as far as I am concerned. I give McLaren more potential than Alpine, even if they are struggling a bit at the moment. McLaren is mostly irregular this season with their cars showing some speed at times, but not enough results. With Norris, Piastri will form a young pairing for the Woking team. Looking forwards to 2023 !!
It’s an interesting move by mclaren to give a seat to a rookie who has no seat time in an f1 car as of yet
If I believe what has been reported, Piastri did several thousands miles in last year's Alpine F1 in private practice. Szafsnauer alluded to that in his claim that Alpine would seek compensation for the resources spent.
Yes, super bold... If it works, they are genius, but if he struggles, then it's going to be another disappointment. In my opinion, they should have pursued Herta. It's also bold, but with a bigger upsize in the short term. No wonder the rumour mill is showing RB checking if Herta has enough for the super license.
