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Question about what's behind the passenger floor panel

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  1. Dave Bertrand

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    Car is a 1989 US 328. I'm trying to find out why my seat belt buzzer and key in/door open buzzer aren't working. I looked behind the passenger side floor board to examine the buzzer module, and found all this stuff! I know that some of it is for a Clifford alarm that hasn't worked in years, and some is stereo wiring that I also want to remove. I'd like to remove as much of that junk as I can. The wiring diagram and owners manual have a picture that seems to indicate that everything that is original should be attached directly to the back of the panel instead of stuffed into the area behind it. Is this true, or are there other items and wiring bundles that fill that space? TIA.

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  2. Brian A

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    Holy Smoke! What a mess!

    I have a 308 so can't comment other than to say it is likely that all the factory stuff is bolted to the front of the footrest. At least it is in a 308.

    The Spare Parts Diagrams should show what is supposed to be in there.

    (On the bright side, it always feels good simplifying and removing stuff that shouldn't be there.)
     
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  3. Dave Bertrand

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    Thanks Brian. Everything that I can identify as part of the Clifford system or the stereo is coming out. I just wanted to confirm that most of that junk doesn't belong there before I do something regretful.
     
  4. Dave Bertrand

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    So I removed two Clifford black boxes and a whole bunch of stereo-related wiring, and was left with a giant wire bundle. Part of that goes to the relays and buzzer module bolted to the back of the foot board, and the rest of it goes to these big black boxes:

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    The two boxes are zip-tied together. Here is the writing on the top, which indicates they are factory modules having to do with ABS (car is an 89) and the air conditioner:

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  5. Mule

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    Make sure when you re-assemble, nothing is compressed too much. I had a lot of the similar stereo/alarm stuff under there. When a passenger would push their feet against it, strange things would happen. One time, the car wouldn't start, because a connector was pinched. Another time, when I would push against the panel, the car wouldn't get fuel. When I let off; it would. Had a friend help me clean it out and fix a few of the connectors in that white box.
     
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    That extra fuse board has nothing in it....just wires going from the relais connectors directly to the connectors plug on the side.
     
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  8. Dave Bertrand

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  9. Brian A

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    What does the “after” picture look like?
     
  10. Dave Bertrand

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    Here's the "after" pic. The only things left in the compartment other than what's attached to the backside of the footboard are the antenna signal cable and another unknown cable, both of which route to the trunk area on the right side, so I'm keeping those where they are.

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  11. Brian A

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    Wow! That is quite the difference from the "before" picture. Congrats.
     
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  12. Dave Bertrand

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    Bad news. Now that I've removed the alarm components and associated rat's nest of wires, the car won't start. All electrics work fine, fuel pump runs (I think) but the starter won't crank. I also removed the radio and associated wiring for that. But I'm wondering if the no-crank situation is caused by remnants of the alarm system still in the car somewhere, and by removing a lot of it is it possible I disabled the starter circuit?

    There's a big wiring harness that connected to the alarm modules, and one branch of the harness went to a relay socket and relay that you can see in the middle of the picture in post #1 above. I cut a bunch of wires from that harness and also removed the relay since I assumed it would serve no purpose anymore. I've thrown away the alarm modules but the harness is still there and I kept the relay.

    A quick web search has led me to believe that I might need to put the relay back in. But don't alarm systems usually disable the fuel pump rather than the starter? For some reason I was under that impression. Anyway I'll put the relay back into the alarm harness tomorrow and hope for the best.
     
  13. bitsobrits

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    As the old saying goes "hope is not a strategy" and I would add: especially when it comes to wiring.

    You really need to track down and remove all the wiring associated with the aftermarket alarm system and then you will know where all those wire go and to what they are (were) attached.

    Alternatively you can trace the starter circuit wire from the key and determine where the break is and rectify that. Either way you need to take your time and get this right as you may cause other issues if you aren't careful.
     
  14. Rifledriver

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    Remove it all. The big white wire from the ignition switch to the starter typically gets cut and rerouted through a relay. Find where it was cut and splice back together. In most cases I see it done under the dash near the switch. Most installers are pretty under motivated, dont know the car very well and really don't care. They know that wire will come from the switch and then who knows where so thats where they look for it.
     
  15. Dave Bertrand

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    That's true, but "don't fix it if it ain't broke" is a good strategy, which I violated. I should have said "fingers crossed" instead ;)

    You and bitsobrits are right, I should get in there and remove it all. But I'm smart enough to know what I don't know, and it'll be a PITA to do that. Since the car is back to normal running condition, I'd prefer to put that project off for a while. Best months for driving in Colorado are September/October so I want to spare the downtime. For now I'm just going to zip tie that alarm harness out of the way and make sure any hot wires are protected.

    If you haven't guessed by now, the car started right up after I replaced the alarm relay in its socket. :D Pretty glad I didn't throw THAT part away.

    All of you were a great help, especially Rifledriver as usual. Much appreciated!
     

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