SF90 Stradale Resale

the reason the SF90 isn't as hot is bc the 296 is 1/2 the price and more fun. The RWD is alot more fun than the AWD and if you're about performance its easy. The SF90 is a status symbol, to who? Most regular people will be equally enamored with either car. The Sf90 was just overvalued from day 1, there's one on bat now sticker price $820k or so, thats insane for what it offers when the 296 is 90% of the car starting at $330k

 

If the flame is about to burn out...shouldn't you abandon ship and head over to secure your spot on the Fisker forum (assuming you don't already have one)? I'm sure the il tipo's at Ferrari wouldn't mind. Plenty of us capable rich guys here to steer the catapulting fireball into the Tyrrhenian Sea. Seriously though, better pre-order the hotly anticipated Fisker Ocean model soon. Get the ultra swanky California mode option, in the beautiful color called Silver Lining. Reservations online for just $250.00. Flexee Lease through Fisker Finance starts at just $379/mo.

 

No wonder that Bernie Madoff could grab 60+ billion with a smile and a wink...

 

I think you lack a bit of historical culture as this sentence proves, and that you should rather exchange with those who lived through this period rather than the local dealer who was 5 years old when the F 40 appeared....
I am going to explain to you clearly, when Piero Fusaro came to the presidency following the death of Enzo, it took less than 3 years to arrive at the disaster. From the period of speculation triggered by Jean Marie Balestre's F 40, to the return of the order forms for 348 in 1993 when it had previously been the subject of an initial 4-year wait, it took little for Ferrari does not find itself in default of payment. Internal political wars, quality problem, bad strategic choices
unfinished car development (348) .. Ferrari was kept on drip by FIAT.
Contrary to what you write, the F 50 does not even exist on the design board in 1993.
The company owes its survival to LCDM no offense to some, it's a fact!
He delayed the launch of the 456 to complete development, got the 550 going, and started development of the 355.
Icing on the cake, the F 50 which will follow.
He was not only a guarantor of the values of the brand and was proud of it. I was able to rub shoulders with him a few times, not you that I know.
I will not dwell on the current strategies that make hybrid and electric cars in the medium term consumables. It's another brand, nothing more. If it suits you, so much the better, but don't lie to yourself, these cars will never represent Ferrari and have no future in collection.
Just products intended to feed the quotation of RACE !

 

Cool story, thank you. With the depth of your experience and history with the brand, perhaps you can share for the gang here, what a La Ferrari sold for new vs current pricing? Utter shame to see what's happened to the values of those antiquated hybrid relics, wouldn’t you say? What brilliant prognosticator would pay a dime over $4M, for a worthless hunk of metal, built by a company on the verge of extinction? Oh, wait…

 

Ferrari specifically didn't design the LaFerrari as a hybrid you could drive down the road with the V12 turned off. One buyer commissioned Ferrari to build him a version without the battery system. It seems that particular car has never been acknowledged in public. The electric car is a world away from the LaFerrari.

 

I’ve owned a vt and sv both were good to me but majority of diablos that don’t get driven and new owner buys it gets hammered with a large bill. Sorry your experience wasn’t well I’d love to own a 01 6.0 one of these days.

 

I see no value to waste time with someone who is stuck in the 90s and even then can't get it straight.
F50 engine came from the 1990 F1 - an evolution of 1989 Mythos concept.
It was produced in 1995 - you think and posted they didn't have it on the board in 1993.
Give it a rest.

 

Again, cool story…from someone who most certainly was on the design team. Perhaps the point is completely lost on you. The post I referenced made the assertion about stratospheric repair costs for BOTH hybrid and electric Ferrari’s. Comprehension may be a struggle, so I suggest you peruse Ferrari’s website for confirmation that indeed the La Ferrari is a hybrid. Amazing that this point even needs discussion.

 

It's me who's wasting my time with you, you don't know what you're talking about.
You hardly delude those who discover Ferrari, for others it's comical
Good road in SF 90

 

The technology of the SF 90 has nothing to do with that of the LF.
The two electric motors at the front with the Li-ion power supply allow you to evolve in full electric mode, this has not escaped your notice...
You are comparing apples and oranges...
Not to mention the product positioning which has nothing to do...
You would have put a cents on the extinction of Lehman Brothers in 3 weeks ???
I'll let you discuss hybridation between yourselves, I don't intend to pollute the thread, disagreements are part of life .

 

You just don’t seem to get it. Let me try one more time. I’m not comparing a damn thing. I’m merely disagreeing with YOUR assertion that Ferrari is “destined to becoming a service company.” YOU are the one who mentioned hybrid AND electric. This begs the question: why are you spending any time on this topic? You clearly don’t own a hybrid Ferrari or have any vested interest in the future of the company. It appears you’re clinging tightly to yesteryear, and have a need to make sure the rest of us know how important you feel your opinions and inane posts are. We get it. Ferrari is on the verge collapse, and there’s no sense buying their products. You can go back to Lawrence Welk reruns now, knowing your point has been made.

 

You're right, hybrid buyers don't have much to say to ICE buyers and vice versa... Have a good trip.

 

Here is what Ferrari said >
In its original press release, Ferrari said an electric-only mode "would not fit the mission" of this supercar, although the company noted that it had tested the feature on pre-production models.

At the time, Ferrari also said its HY-KERS hybrid powertrain--which teams the V-12 with two electric motor-generators and a lithium-ion battery pack--could be modified to include an electric-only mode in future models.

Cue the SF90 which is what this thread is really about.

 

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more likely Matt Monro...

 

I think SF90 will always have a solid resale because its quite a machine that appeals to those who want that ultra level performance, yes the 296 is more playful, but the SF90 is the king of the lineup, and I know several owners who say to me they don't understand why they would get a 296 since they love their SF90. These owners all have the AF, and tell me the AF really helps give the car just that bit of extra edge that many of us enjoy. I've not driven an AF car, but I have an AF spider on order and very excited about it. I thought the coupe was incredible and I just wished for a little more overall feel- in a way it was too perfect, but that was a year ago.....

For whatever its worth, my take is you have to give LDM a ton of credit. Yes, he saved the company and the brand. No LDM, and the Ferrari of today would most certainly be not as prized by so many. He did an incredible job. I give him a big thank you.

But time marches on and companies need to evolve or perish.

Ferrari as a public company.... Yes, there are pressures from this, there is no doubt. But there are also opportunities. I also think you have to consider what are the risks if they remained inside FCA? The first thing that comes to my mind is they'd now be a cash cow inside a public company: Stellantis- and what would the pressure be then? We're not selling enough Jeep or FIAT cars... sell more Ferraris..... Would they have similar demands from their customers? I think yes.

Like it or not, Ferrari faced some great competition, they answered the competition, they have to adhere to the rules and regulations (we can criticize those). I think they would still be about where they are if they remained private. Every transition brings new challenges. What Ferrari has accomplished is very impressive, especially when you consider the size of the organization.

I remember when they stopped offering stick shift: oh the calamity! Ferrari will surely die! I'll never buy another Ferrari. How can it be Ferrari without the clank of the shifter? (I said all these things and more and that was LDM's decision) How did that work out? I think they now need to have some cars as hybrid. There are pros and cons. In the end I think its if they find people who love them. So far it seems to be working but its early days.

If you hate the new cars, don't buy and be glad they continue to sell new models so they can support the old ones, and if you hate the old models, then just don't buy them. There are some really great choices out there for everyone who loves Ferraris.

I think most criticisms have validity, but, in the end, Ferrari is still making amazing dream machines, and we are all here to argue about why this one is better than that one.


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Forza Ferrari! I hope they get their act together and put on a strong showing at home!

 

Well said. And your reference to stick shifts disappearing is a good one. As a collector, and having owned many gated cars, I fought the evolution like others have. Hell, I remember when manual transmissions were billed as being more fuel efficient. But, like it or not, buyers and car manufacturers are forced to bow to the political pressures afoot. Ferrari will evolve. It's among the most widely recognizable luxury brands in the world for a reason. I have an Apple Watch. But, choose to wear the more antiquated Patek, AP or Rolex. All could've disappeared long ago in favor of the digital, multi-purpose, connected pieces available today. Yet, by all accounts each brand has grown considerably over the years. It's because a subset of buyers want exclusivity and quality. It's part of a lifestyle thing.

I won't go on a passionate rant about electrification, as the evolution in that direction is very good for my business. Among many other things, the company I founded processes liquid lithium...for major battery producers. However, I will say that I don't believe the world infrastructure is anywhere near ready for what ignorant politicians are forcing. Bottom line, for a host of reasons (including the fact that we have nowhere near enough potable water), charging batteries is not the answer, any more than wind or solar are. It's merely a step toward perfection of other technologies that will come behind it (eg. hydrogen and moon dust). Bringing it back to cars and specifically Ferrari, while clean energy evolves, so too will they. I personally feel that the current hybrids will hold a special place in the years to come, as people yearn for a more soulful driving experience than can be offered by an EV. To that end, values of many ICE Ferrari's should also remain strong. The needle Ferrari will have to thread, is using their art, science and wizardry to achieve a similar emotional experience...without the ICE.

 

Lots of cars for like performance are less expensive.
Owners of the SF90 are likely ordering a 296 - it's not about status it's about enjoying life and who doesn't want 1000hp V8 from Ferrari.

 

Feel free to meet me at debut next week in Italy.
Your words words never exit in person.
Good luck to you in your fake news posts - it's what you do best.

 

I suggest you meet us at Maranello


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Well, I’m just waiting to see if a few more things fall in place before I seriously look for the SF90.

Perhaps prices will become more reasonable in the interim.



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Look at the gorgeous one on BAT now, $820k+ sticker and its still $100k below sticker with a few days left, these aren't cars anyone is rushing to pay over sticker for.

 

It’s heavily optioned. Your previous comparison was quite far off. If a 296 is $350k and an sf90 is about $500, there is not a ton of difference in price. A 296 we’ll optioned is likely around 500k, no?

 

ok sure but thats still $300k+ for what 180 hp more? It's easy to say the 819 hp RWD car is more fun than the 1000 hp awd SF90

I'm just saying other than status, how is the Sf90 better? The cars look mostly similar and having driven both, the 296 is the better car imo. That is if you enjoy driving. If you want to just roll around and get coffee and tell everyone how rich you are, sure the SF90 does the trick there. RWD beats AWD every single time and with power this similar, its easy to say which is the better driver

 

Lol. Well, if you buy any new Ferrari now, you’re looking at $500k. Gotta be pretty well off for that! I haven’t driven either car, but I’ve seen both. An SF90 is very striking to me. I ordered a TM spider and it’s almost $900k. I sure hope I enjoy it regardless! For the most part we don’t get to drive the cars to fully take advantage of rear wheel drive versus awd, so I’m sure the awd will suffice on the street.