Its not a current or recently pass Ferrari model. It's might even be a non Ferrari model. It doesn't look to be a front engine model either due to hood size. It's not the PS and the back window area is very different to any other Ferrari. its very rectangular no tapering in at as it progresses back. IMO
@day355 confirmed in post #1970 that what I thought was a PS is, in fact, a Levante. An easy mistake to make
Does anyone know how many 599gto and f12tdf were made in each colour category? Red/yellow/white/black/blue….i was trying to get an idea but i can’t find that information anywhere
Ferrari has become rather secretive about their production numbers details. Only in very general terms of total cars built for the special models do they share a total number projected to be built. Details like colors or allocation divisions between markets are not provided. Only when Ferrari is forced during recall notices do they provide a breakdown of specific numbers of models involved. Some people build a register of all the serial numbers recorded for a series. That is the closest you will come to learning the total built in various paint colors.
So, now the FUV is released, its detuned 6.5 V12 is 725PS vs 691PS for the Lusso (model that preceded it), non-hybrid (and, as with the Lusso, significantly detuned from other models using the same powerplant). Will the F167 follow the same metric? If so, expect it to be 840PS, non-hybrid, but, will it go there or will it simply be something less, 820PS for example?
I’m curious to see thefinal price of the car. Shmee in his video was mentioning a spec’d car around £400k in the UK therefore that would mean 500/600k in the US. That implies the 812 replacement probably 15/20% more expensive hence a well specc’ed 812 replacement approaches 599gto territory… for a production series car
Well, per www.xe.com, current GBP to USD ratio is less than 120%, so, 400K GBP£ would be closer to 480K USD$... I am certain the base price of the F167 will be much higher than the 812SF, probably close to 400K USD (812GTS was about $364USD base price), so a well specc'd version could easily approach 550K USD, but, I believe we are getting ahead of ourselves here.... As for the 599gto, well, who knows how it will be priced 2 years hence...however, recent activity reveals it is escalating in value: https://www.classic.com/m/ferrari/599/gto/
From a design standpoint i find the car amazing. Great design, innovative , a lot of great and beautiful tech touches everywhere, and still looks like a Ferrari. Overall a success imo. Not cheap though for a daily driver / suv, but hey it’s a Ferrari with a na v12. They will probably produce it until 2025 when the euro7 come into force and then replace it with turbo/ hybrid v8/v6 down the road
Whatever rules Euro 7 (starting in 2025? maybe) provides does not come into effect for existing models...typically existing models have at least 2 additional years before impact, so, if such rules impact the FUV start in 2025, then Ferrari has at least 2 years and probably more as it would be extended due to being an "end of model" series vehicle (special set-asides for end of series models)...so production of the V12 FUV is guaranteed until at least 2028...
I see I didn’t know that . So yes we should expect production of 2500/3000 of those cars for the next couple of years ( number based on Ferrari’s claim that production number wouldn’t exceed 20% of the total production to keep it “relatively rare”. That being said if the 812 replacement is also nav12 we could be talking a further 4000 v12 per year and that doesn’t even count icona series…feels a lot
Unless Ferrari substantially increases their ability to produce V12 engines, approx. 2200 units per year will be the limiting factor. Last year, Ferrari V12 production was down by a large amount, so, if they did not retain those engine builders then the maximum per year will be less than 2200. In other words, I have no expectation that Ferrari will be able to produce 4000 V12 per year. I expect the FUV to be about 1000 units per year while the balance being consumed by the 812c, 812cA, SP3, 812GTS and in 2024 F167 production.
Just by visiting the factory and seeing the V12 production line, anyone can understand that Ferrari has no way to massively increase V12 production. Unless they have another plant opening soon.
Been told today by a Ferrari dealer price before options £350k that means circa £430 to £450k well specc’d. So about 50% more than a GTC4Lusso V12 and about 20% more than an 812GTS.
My 812 GTS with a nice spec, but no carbon fiber at all, came it at $510K. So a reasonably well optioned PS with some CF and nice leather-stitching could be ~$625K...that is bonkers!
Well, if you get an early allocation it could be a profitable decision after 12 months if you are into that sort of transaction. I have a Rolls Ghost for comfy traveling, especially when it comes to carrying more than two people. Sure, it is no sports car, but it has remarkably flat cornering through curves at a reasonable speed, and has a twin turbo 6.25L V12 with ample power and torque. It comes with unparalleled luxury and class....and at ~$200K LESS than a PS...smh. For a nicely optioned PS I could easily buy a new Rolls Ghost AND a Porsche 911 GT3. I know these sorts of calculations are ridiculous....but still....it beggars belief.
