Was 812 replacement cancelled because of total V12 allocation to the officially unveiled Purosangue SUV? If not, why to cry over the SUV? At least we can still have some hope
Put it differently : for the price of a PS you get a nice used 812 SF + a nice used F12. Both having a better engine. You can almost also get a pista plus an F12. Or just buy a pista spider. I think that’s insane
It's not ridiculous at all. It's the reality. One can have certain expectations with certain price points. No one expects a $2 steak to be great, but a $200 steak needs to be fokking amazing! Perhaps that's why Ferrari is so quickly to boast the PS doesn't belong to any category as they are 50%+ more expensive then the 'competition'.
Interesting to see that 10 years after the release of the F12 Ferrari releases a na v12 which is in fact less powerful than the F12. This to me points to the fact the NA V12 has kind of reached its limits.
FIFY. Me, personally, I'd go one step further and say the last beautiful Ferraris. The (entire) current lineup is disappointing to me.
Ferrari reached the peak with the F12/tdf and Speciale. The 812 is great probably too powerful for a GT imo each time I look at a regular F12 i can’t stop thinking how perfect and timeless / beautiful this car is. The car i regret selling the most. There is something special about the F12 in my eyes.
Well, I think the FUV V12 being de-tuned is to coordinate with the progression of the 4-seat model series and not a reflection on that particular engine's abilities. After all, they capped the rev limit to 8250 as well. The 'big' news to me is the FUV V12 is not hybrid at all (yes, there is a 48v system for the suspension but it does not participate in moving the car), so, to me, I believe the eventual F167 will not be hybrid either and it should have an power increase over the 812SF...but that is presuming that car is ever revealed which I do not have a lot of confidence in...after all Ferrari is suddenly indicating it will close the FUV order books the day of the reveal, how often does that ever occur? As mentioned by @kandi, maybe Ferrari will want to use as much V12 production as it can for the FUV and forget the F167 or, if it is revealed, the F167 may have very limited availability due to constraints on V12 production...if the FUV orders are really that numerous...
Ferrari also makes an 840 CV version of the V12. The Purosangue has a different brief though, that's why it prioritises low down torque over ultimate power.
Enrico said Ferrari would cap FUV production to keep it exclusive. They won't cannibalize F167 sales to exceed their maximum total available.
He said I believe production of the PS wont exceed 20% of total production which is expected this year alone to reach 12,000 cars per year. With the PS the annual number will rise from 12,000 so what they said is it wont exceed 20% of that number. That still means potentially a few thousands PS per year at $600/700k not sure how “exclusive” that really is
That would be about 13 PS per dealer and some dealers may get more or less of that total. Spread around 60 countries that sounds pretty exclusive to me. The Fchat Ferrari bombardment spoils your perspective.
When compared to the demand, it will be exclusive. At least in the US, dealers already have waiting lists 100+ deep for the Puro. A fraction of the people who want one will get one.
True but remember that’s often the case fir a new model. It was the case for the 812, the F12 even before, and the pista. No doubt it will be exclusive looking at how many people on earth can afford one all I’m saying is if production number ends up around 10,000 or more the concept of “limited” rather seems a bit questionable to me
I am a v12 owner and was offered a gts as well and didnt take it reason being i preferred the coupe and wasn’t convinced by the sound during the launch in Italy +’gpf. Don’t forget for quiete some time you would have little to no money flipping a gts. People also ordered an 812 before hoping to flip and make money which at the end of the day didn’t turn out to be profitable. Given the price point of the PS, how many they will produce and the fact the v12 isn’t anything new or even as good as what you find in an f12 or 812, i personally highly doubt that ordering a PA with a view to flip it will be a profitable strategy. My own view
Enrico is being silly, 20%, if Ferrari drops their annual production to less than 10,000 total units, then that comment "makes sense", otherwise, in understanding the current abilities of the factory to produce hand-made V12 engines that comment of capping at 20% of production is just nonsense, as total annual production would likely never exceed 2000 units...the only thing, besides price, that will make the FUV "exclusive" is the fact it will take 5 years or more just to make 10,000 total units.
I agree with every single word you said. I say this as a 812SF owner which is currently severly undervalued here in the UK at least. I feel the same about the V12 Lusso. In fact you can nearly buy both for the same money as a new high spec PS. To put things in context 1490HP vs 725PS !
I think that refers to V12 PS only. I can see them releasing V8/V6/Hybrid versions and ramping up production significantly. There will be huge R&D costs for the PS and they will be looking to maximise return. I can see them making an easy 5000 a year once other cheaper derivatives are released.
Agreed 812SF do feel undervalued in the UK. I also posted on a separate thread and showed the difference in prices in the UK vs Europe/USA on F12tdf and 458 Speciale which feel even more undervalued if you see where those transact overseas.
If they put in a non-V12, that will not change the number of V12s that can be annually produced...that's my point. If they decide to install a non-V12, I wonder what that will do to the weight balance, with a front engine, doubtful it will be hybrid, so the "relatively microscopic" V6, 120° all "splayed out" would be quite the sight under the bonnet...
