Alfa out of F1 after next year...or?

Ferrari should have another customer team take up this spot.

 

Alfa is basically a title sponsor of Sauber.

They'll leave, Sauber remains.

 

Andretti/ Alfa hookup would have been nice but F1 has no interest in adding teams, only pu manufacturers.

 

Alfa worldwide sales have halved since joining F1. Zhou is not bringing in new Chinese money besides the sponsors he already had.

Haas doesn't want to sell to Andretti.

 

I hope Haas never have to sell to Andretti.

 

With Audi stepping in from 2026 (if everything goes to plan), will Sauber still receive Ferrari engines in 2024/2025 though ?

 

Alfa should take their title sponsorship to Haas. Sauber would be left in limbo for a couple of years, sponsor-wise.

Wonder if Ferrari will keep supplying them after 2023?

 

Since Bernie Ecclestone organised it, FOM (Liberty now) sells the F1 World Championship rights to organisers and TV channels on the undertaking of having 20 cars on the grid. I believe there would be no championship if that number would fall to less than 16, if some FIA rules were to be respected.

 

I propose:: NART !

 

Alfa Romeo CEO: “No hurry” to decide F1 future beyond 2023
Alfa Romeo CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato says the company is in “no hurry” to make a call on its long-term future in Formula 1.

 

Alfa Romeo is only a sponsor.

 

Sauber??? Yes??

 

Isn’t Alfa trying to go all electric? If so then further F1 participation wouldn’t make much sense for them IMO.

 

Before long all the car manufacturers are going all electric for their road cars anyway ...

 

There is really no need for Alfa to be in F-1. It's not their tech, they are only a sponsor. it would make more sense to have Maserati in F-1 from an FCA perspective, I think they sell more cars than Alfa in the USA. Haas Alfa or Maserati makes sense. Ferrari gets nothing out of it - and really when the engines let go - they still get the blame. I hate all the badge engineering ... its sad that F1 used to have tons of different engines... and now just a few. but then again in the late 60's and 70's it was Ford DFV vs. Ferrari, and or Matra, BRM, Renault, and Alfa Romeo... but at least then it was the actual manufacturers building the engines.

 

Alfa produced 51000 cars in 2021, Maserati 24000. Like the rest of the Italian car industry, Alfa is lagging behind in the electrification of its range, and that's why it fell behind on the European market where this is essential. Now, they will benefit from being part of Stellantis, and a relaunch with new models is planned for next year; unlike Maserati, Alfa is a mass producer. There is no doubt that the future Alfas will be Peugeot or Opel under the skin. Even JEEP is more advanced than Alfa Romeo in this (forced) transformation.
As for their involvement in F1, it's purely commercial: the Sauber is just a mobile billboard for Alfa. Their CEO, JP Imperato claims that the Sauber sponsorship gave him the best return on investment compared to other car manufacturers.

 

I was just going from its USA presence- it is much better than ever - but still way off. you see many more Maserati's here than Alfa... at least here in Atlanta. I'm not sure that Alfa has the brand that it wants or needs... but I do like the Gulia quadrifologio

 

Alfa are a dying brand. The Giulia Q will be the last drivers car they make, and we waited a long time for that one.
It upsets me as a long time Alfisti, but Stellantis don’t care about that.
In this F1 incarnation they have been nothing more than a name on a Sauber.

 

I blame FIAT for the decline of Alfa Romeo.
When it was taken over, Alfa was a brand with an extensive range of cars with brillant engines: sedans, coupes, cabriolets, sports cars, etc ..
FIAT rationalised all that by throwing away the Alfa DNA, using Alfa as a sub-brand for FIAT. The famous twincams Alfa engines had to make way for cheaper FIAT units, the range was converted to front-wheel drive FIAT clones (Alfasud), etc ... Shock horror, that at one point in the 90s, there were even entry level Alfas with Nissan engines (Alfa Arna). The situation became so bad that when FIAT needed a bigger engines for the coupe Alfa Romeo Brera, it had to buy V6s from General Motors !! The damage to the brand was irreparable, and the Alfa customers looked elsewhere.
I was discussing it with an Italian friend of mine who said that BMW has now taken the place of Alfa Romeo on the Italian market.

 

Nearer home, another brand that isn't doing so good I feel is Jaguar.

Land Rover is doing OK, but Jaguar's range is ageing, and the sales are going down.

Owners Tata have no money to invest.

 

Well, they are selling almost no cars these days anyway--why not go all the way ??

 

I just find out that the Alfa Romeo Tonale, a SUV, is sold in the States as the Dodge Hornet ?

I thought they were trying to relaunch the Alfa brand.

 

Or the Dodge one.