Yes, the Urus holds its value tremendously well. The ones Tom is jawing about are probably all $100k over sticker or more. Yes, some of those lofty priced cars sit, but find one for 30k over let alone msrp that doesn’t have huge miles or a crash. It doesn’t exist. Hell, we just sold our most recent outright to a Land Rover dealer for $70k over msrp as our next is being delivered in January. No buyers my ass…
The prices are all over the map. Zero consistency which tells me people are just throwing any price around to see what sticks. The Urus is perhaps the biggest cash cow ever built. I cannot believe people are willing to pay that kind of money for them. It will catch up..and perhaps it has already started to happen. The 3 year leases are coming up..people will be handing in the keys and walking away..
Not unique to the Urus either, but your contempt isn’t about the market… it’s about the Urus and Purosangue. Some of it may be more persuasive if that weren’t so obvious.
Some reflections of the creator of Purosangue in an interview with the newspaper La Repubblica last September : "The result of a mathematical equation" Manzoni, why is the Purosangue not an SUV? “We don't harness this car in rigid categories. The Purosangue is the result of a mathematical equation, it was difficult to find the solution, but we succeeded ". What were the starting factors? "Many and different factors are involved, such as sportsmanship, accessibility, habitability. All important. New answers were sought on these elements in the most logical way possible, defining not only a new car architecture, but a car that cannot fit into known categories ". An equation that was solved after four years of work. What is the result? “It causes a surprise effect. It is an athletic, streamlined, aerodynamic, accessible car with a spacious interior. Each Ferrari is an element of the project, as well as an artistic composition. It is not style applied to mechanics. The Purosangue's solution is to have a totally new car that gives the pleasure of classic Ferrari sports driving one hundred percent ». What did you start from? “From scratch, not from existing cars to redesign them. Every detail was the result of an ad hoc study " What have been the most difficult moments in these four years? "The definition of the architecture and lines was complex, but the intuition was right: the idea of conceiving it as a suspended berlinetta. The only way to better manage the volumes of the car. Two are the most difficult moments. The first. There was a moment when aerodynamics asked us to go in another direction and change a line that we really liked. It took long meetings to preserve the stylistic idea and make it work. A synergistic, holistic work, to be able to recompose the contrasting elements, thus managing to hide, for example, the many aerodynamic devices, important, but which do not dirty the lines ». When did the other problems arise? “The interiors, for example, we realized were not as spacious as we had hoped for. Having identified the method to try to preserve the proportions of the car and the space on board, we gradually intervened on lines and volume relationships, so we studied the crushed roof or the broken uprights, improving perceptions and comfort on board. ". What is the solution for opening folding doors? "A way to let you see the interior in a single glance and to give a 'wow' effect. Technically, we wanted to make the car compact, so a front door was designed with a front door opening against the wind reduced to a minimum, without a visible handle, but with a sort of hidden “button”. One of the obsessions was weight reduction, weight is like the devil for us. We had thought of removing the upright, but it meant making the chassis more heavier ». Why four independent seats? "They are one of Ferrari's stylistic features, a combination of tradition and innovation: sports seats that wrap and embrace you, which give everyone the idea of being tied to the Purosangue, of being at the wheel." What are the distinctive elements? "One of the elements for me is the floating lintel, which has been patented, and the carbon core of the underbody. The shape was imagined as crossed by air, creating different aero bridges and canals. Elements that have given sensuality and a throbbing effect to the Purosangue with plastic and incisive lines. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Lots of fancy hype…but basically it is a 4 door 4 seater that is riding higher than your average sedan, and not designed to ever go off road or do serious hauling duty. An “Italian Panamera” with AWD would seem to have been more fitting with their sporting history than a crossover.
In this day and age of supercomputers and machine learning, I would fire someone who took 4 years to solve an equation! But, if the result is an FUV with NA V12 and suspension that "breaks the laws of physics", I might be inclined to forgive Ferrari. My prediction is that Puro test drive videos will blow up the Internet - at least the subset that cares about cars - both good and bad. T
Tom, it took Einstein, one of the two greatest giants of science of all time, many years to solve his most famous equation E = mc2. Although only Ferrari knows the mathematical equation of the Purosangue, when compared to Einstein's it is certainly child's play. As much as Flavio Manzoni talks about mathematical equations, we know that his training as an architect and artist are not oriented for maths and, at best, he was a part of a multidisciplinary team at Ferrari that really had to solve the “Purosangue equation”. However, Manzoni and his team of designers are to be congratulated because they managed to make the Purosangue look different from any SUV and at the same time be aesthetically harmonious. There aren't yet test drive videos of the Purosangue but there is a big expectancy to find out about its road performance.
https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/grcorolla/?srchid=SEM:700000001483645:GOOGLE:71700000090321974:5870000765662268369234717221:590800889753&gclsrc=aw.ds&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpJX03_rT-gIVvhPUAR0jVAYYEAAYASAAEgIEz_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds GR Corolla coming to US. Forego a few options on your Puro and you could get one with the savings! T
When you work on the crap cans everyday..you see how much of a rip off the Urus is. I have had both a Q8 and Urus side by side in the shop..the chassis is identical..and that engine is in everything.. from a Panamara..to a Bently..to any number of Audi products. It's a parts bin rip off. Yet..they sell. Tells you a ton about the buyers..
What exactly does it tell you? That the Urus over RSQ8 buyer wants the extra hp/tq? Wants the few tenths quicker acceleration? Wants the full second quicker quarter mile? Wants the throatier exhaust note? Wants the racier look? Wants to support the Lamborghini brand? Likes the exterior of the Urus more than the Audi? Has kids that enjoy one over the other? Or maybe it tells you the buyer doesn’t give a **** what a “crap can” mechanic thinks and drives what they want.
If it wasn't for the off road capability this equation would apply just as much to the Purosangue as to any other Ferrari therefore is well thought. However, in the case of the Purosangue there is still a variable not introduced in the equation, that considers that, regardless of the buyer's wealth, only customers classified as VIPs will have access to this V12 version.
Former owner. That says a lot to me. I own what I like. That's just logical, yeah? I mean if I like something, I buy it. If I don't, I sell it. *I* certainly wouldn't go to fansites of said item to trash it. As far as if all are turds or just the PS? Well, if one considers the PS feces, I just find it interesting that I'm the one that is being called out for not being objective. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
