I'm sure they will be fined. But I wouldn't count on any past or present disqualifications from the sport.
ANY team could have lied, "cooked the books", made accounting errors (accidental or intentional) ... and the FIA would be none-the-wiser. The FIA relied ONLY on information provided by the teams, with no audits or 3rd-party reviews. For all we know, Red Bull were the only honest ones in the group and YES, this suggestion has no less merit than the fraudulent, $10 million accusations by Mercedes.
Red Bull look to me to be well inside the margin of error. It's not at all the "massive overspending" some people were shouting about, and the media blew out of proportion . Verstappen's 2 titles are safe, and it's all that matters.
His titles were NEVER going to be attached at all. The constructors would have been, if any action were to be taken. Ferrari and Binotto are actually the one's who appear more concerned about it. Thats an FIA problem to solve. There was an over-spend and now they have to use the process in place to provide such adjudication. It will be interesting if their is further clarity coming about the 2 teams and related issues to preclude another breach. So far in realistic observation the FIA can say this review went well overall.
I can't understand how some people think a cost cap is a bad idea. In fact it is NECESSARY for the survival of F1 going forwards. Of course it is early days and there is a lot of figuring out how to implement the cost cap properly but to ignore its essential requirement is to be blind to the way the World is going.
Teams in compliance: Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren, Alpine, AlphaTauri, Alfa Romeo, Williams, Haas Teams in procedural breach: Aston Martin Teams in procedural and minor overspend breach: Red Bull FIA confirms a procedural breach + minor overspend breach (so within 5%) of the financial regulations by Red Bull for 2021. "Procedural Breaches can result in Financial Penalties and/or Minor Sporting Penalties (in case of aggravating factors) as detailed in the Financial Regulation. "Minor Overspend breach (<5% Cost Cap) can result in Financial Penalties and/or Minor Sporting Penalties"
FIA to Red Bull: "This is your fine: for next year, your budget will be only $144 million instead of $145 million (inflation adjusted). Make sure the paperwork you file with us, reflects this lower limit. We won't check or audit your statements, of course; we don't do that with any of the teams. Just make sure that the numbers you submit comply with the limit, and we're all good "
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/what-happens-now-with-f1s-cost-cap-rule-breakers/10382816/ What happens now with F1's cost cap rule breakers? After weeks of speculation, the FIA finally confirmed on Monday that Aston Martin and Red Bull had breached Formula 1’s cost cap last year. By: Jonathan Noble Oct 10, 2022, 6:17 PM Image Unavailable, Please Login But rather than this being the end of a process that has already been under the spotlight for a while, what happens next is potentially more intriguing as the governing body moves towards potential punishments. The matter looks almost certain to be drawn out though, with F1’s Financial Regulations explicit in the formal process that needs to be gone through. Plus, the procedural breaches that Aston Martin and Red Bull were found to have made will bring a different range of sanctions compared to the minor overspend breach the Milton Keynes-based squad has also committed. Accepted Breach Agreement The first avenue that will be open to Aston Martin and Red Bull is what is referred to as an Accepted Breach Agreement (ABA). This is where the teams accept they have done wrong, and agree to abide by certain actions that will be taken by the FIA’s Cost Cap Administration. To go through with an ABA, teams must acknowledge they broke the rules, accept and observe any sanctions handed out, agree to bear costs and waive any rights they have to challenge the ABA. The ABA can then lay out obligations for the team to fulfil, provide for enhanced monitoring, impose financial penalties and certain minor sporting penalties, and set out costs the teams must face. As an enticement to go down the ABA route, teams that are deemed to be deserving of a minor sporting penalty, cannot lose constructors’ championship points, drivers’ championship points or a reduction in the cost cap, which are options if they try to challenge the cost cap decision. This leaves them only with the possibility of a public reprimand, suspension from one or more stages of a competition (excluding the race) or limitations on aerodynamic or other testing. Image Unavailable, Please Login Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB18 Photo by: Red Bull Content Pool Cost Cap Adjudication Panel If Aston Martin and Red Bull do not accept an ABA, or the FIA deems that it is not appropriate to go down that route, then a hearing of the Cost Cap Adjudication Panel will be set up. This panel is made up of between six and 12 judges elected by the FIA General Assembly who will then hear the details of the cases, including representation from the teams and any witnesses who are relevant to the matter. After the hearing, a verdict must be reached by a majority of the judges on whether the party was guilty or not. In the event of a deadlock, the nominated president of the hearing will have a further casting vote. The panel will then hand out any of the sanctions detailed in the rules. Should a guilty team not be happy with the outcome, then a further appeal could be made to the FIA’s own International Court of Appeal. The punishments The financial rules are clear in terms of the potential sanctions that can be handed out for teams in breach of the rules. For the procedural rules breaches – which can include late submissions, a failure to cooperate with the Cost Cap Administration, or supplying inaccurate information – the rules state that a financial penalty will be given out. The only exception to this is if there are sufficient mitigating factors that exists for there to be no further action, or if there was a sufficient aggravating factor in which case a minor sporting penalty in addition, or in lieu, of the financial penalty can be given. In terms of the minor overspend, which is classified as being less than 5% over the limit that Red Bull has been found to have made, the Cost Cap panel can impose a financial penalty and/or a minor sporting penalty. The rules lay down six options that it classifies as a minor sporting penalty. These are a public reprimand, deduction of constructors’ championship points, deduction of drivers’ championship points, suspension from one or more stages of a competition (excluding the race), limitations on aerodynamic or other testing, or a reduction of the cost cap.
Merc didn’t overspend? With DAS. ? Rocket engines? Reliability updates? FN bull poop. RB couldn’t barely keep up mid 2021.
Remember ... according to the FIA's official statement, they relied fully on whatever the teams reported to them (no independent audits, no 3rd-party reviews). Draw your own conclusions It's quite obvious, now, why Mercedes was screaming so loudly the past week or two: classic "pre-emptive defense" against any accusations coming back in their direction (scream first, scream loudest ... and no one will dare question you)
Sorry, but I don't agree. I am against any financial restriction anywhere. People and companies should be able to spend how they like and as much as they want. I am in favour of market forces. If some teams can't follow the big spenders, they will leave F1. If there are not enough teams left to make a grid, they will have to decide on a simpler formula to make it more accessible perhaps, but at no point should there be a budget limit. The budget cap reminds me of the true story I heard from someone who had his application for a building permit turned down by the planning authorities on the ground that "the house will be too expensive for this location". Completely arbitrary in my book.
Yes, it is fine, ... by 2021 season "standards" it is "fine" This year, Ferrari team principal, Binotto, during the most of the season, has been also sceptical about how RedBull is able to develop the car more and more, while still not reaching over the budget limit. So it looks like Ferrari was very drawn back by the budget cap. I hope they were not saving it for the last few races.
Actually I think the cost cap is a complete illusion. Mercedes last year spend 330 million. 145 on the car, 185 on non racing activities. Williams' budget in 2021 was 145. Their whole budget. The years before it was the same. They still have to split the car upgrades, team salaries and everything else in there to make it work. It's not equal. It's just saying to the big teams ''try and spend a little bit less''.
Marko and Stroll deserve the same fine than Ron Dennis: 300 million, 10 is the fine, 290 is for being an *******. If FIA takes so much time to check the books, how they avoid that a team that is quitting spends as if there was no tomorrow to win their last season, and then let the next owner to deal with the fine. I´m seeing that the penalty for a "minor infringment" is very, very affordable if they agree to not protest it. Little more than some public harasment and wind tunnel and testing restrictions. I´m pretty sure that Red Bull broke the limit knowing very well that it was worth it.
1 millions penalty really will worth it if this gives you 0,3 seconds/lap advantage for instance.. Sorry they should be unofficially penalized like Ferrari was after 2019.
100%. One thing the FIA and Liberty want to do when controlling costs is address the reality that are too many races now. It's absurd. What is this? NASCAR? Another issues is engines. Ferrari, Renault, and Mercedes will never offer the kind of engine teams like McLaren, Sauber, Williams, and Haas need to be at the front. F1 desperately needs another Cosworth that gives those teams a chance.
Unfortunately F1 lives in its own little world and needs strict regulations to protect it from itself. I don't like the idea of restrictions but F1 has proven that it is the greatest glutton of all and will eat itself without some outside intervention. Playing with the formula and still offering unlimited budgets will mean that teams will spend massive amounts on tiny gains that are invisible to the public. F1 is first and foremost in the entertainment business and F1 people get it in their heads that they are somehow changing the world and that 'common people' are lucky to be able to watch what they do. Truth is common people pay for F1 to exist and if you don't look after your audience they will leave and F1 will die. The cost cap should be seen like any other technical specification laid out by the rules. Limiting spending (assumed it is policed correctly) both levels the playing field and actually encourages more visible innovation by the teams. It is a very powerful tool to ensure great racing for the fans. Best of all if done correctly it is universally fair and not artificial like DRS is. I'm surprised that there is not more outcry by the fans on the newest regulations that handicap the development time the more successful teams have. Now THAT is an example of the rule makers messing with true 'market forces' and it should have no place in F1.