3 cylinders is rather unusual; does this odd number offer any mechanical advantage or done for other reasons?
Not sure if you are referring to Texas or the person I met at the dealer? The gentleman I was speaking of is a current owner of multiple modern Ferraris.
Both. As I said, there are no problems with folks hating on Ferrari, past owners, current owners, or non-owners. Ferrarichat doesn't do censorship or ban/remove negative comments. Part of the fun is talking to haters. I mean, folks that spend time hanging out in a thread about things they 'hate' happens all the time. Many people also like to count what's in other people's pockets. I never understood it, but here it is.
Just technological progress me thinks. 300 hp from 3 cylinders is quite an achievement, add to that "Toyota" reliability and that to me spells oodles of fun! Well done Toyota! (or if I take a page from some folks here, Toyota can wrap a turd....) As I said, you learn a lot about people. Cheers
I thought engines with odd # of cylinders sounded "better"?!? I recall reading something like that online a while back, so take it for it's worth! T
The GR Yaris is a homologation car for the World Rally Championship ( WRC). Its engine ( 1.6 turbo ) and body style ( 3 door), was done for homologation to meet entry requirements for WRC. I had a GR Yaris last year for around 6 months. Was a brilliant little car, was so much fun on narrow twisty back roads, especially when damp or, it loved those types of conditions. It was not much fun on track. I felt the weakest part of the package was the 1.6 3 cylinder engine, most UK owners i have met have remapped them to release more "urge". I sold it for 2 main reasons. I was offered a lot more than i paid for it, and the seating position was terrible. I felt really perched high up in the drivers seat, like sitting "on" the car, not in it.
Definitely won't go any more off topic after this...but I just ordered a Maserati MC20, and couldn't bring myself to order the exterior carbon when I realised it cost more than my Yaris, and didn't come with 0% finance either ;-) Yaris is a proper bespoke homologation effort, Corolla much more mainstream. Even the high seating position referred to above makes sense when you are charging round secondary roads, and can see round corners much better than in a low sportscar. (Purosangue vibes) Wait 25 years and we'll send some over!
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Urus is a bit Audi in places, but that's not necessarily a bad thing when talking about big family 4x4s. I had an earlier model for 5k miles, and have a Perf on the way in April. Was planning to then trade the perf for a PS, but currently tempted to just keep Lusso instead, and revert to that after a few thousand miles in Urus. At today's Lusso values, you would have to trade both to meet the £/$ of a PS...and I still have to be sold on the PS looks when I see it in real life. (And no doubt the forthcoming glowing reviews will help open the wallet!)
Actually, it is pretty common in Europe. BMW, FIAT, Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Renault, Dacia, Ford, Hyundai, Kia, Mini, Opel/Vauxhall, VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda, Volvo and of dourse Toyota all offer cars with 3 cylinder engines over here. They offer mostly financial advantages to the manufacturers (smaller block and crankshaft, one less piston, rod, ignition coil, spark plug) and also less friction, which is important for emissions. Not really, the 3 cylinder ones sound rough and have imbalance problems, requiring counter rotating balancing shafts. The 5 cylinder ones sound better, but still not as silky smooth as a 6 cylinder. That's what marketing would want us to believe. Actually, a homologation production model isn't required (that's why there is no 3 door production Ford Puma, unlike the rally car), even though that was the initial intention of the FIA. Moreover, the Rally 1 Yaris has a 4 cylinder engine, unlike the road car. Still, it was nice that Toyota decided to build this car. The high seating position was due to the limitations of the platform. PS: I apologise for the off topic post.
My understanding was that the FIA homologation ruleset changed after the the GR Yaris was green-lighted to go into production by Toyota. Their is for some unknow reason four 10cm raised seat mount towers added onto cross bars on the chassis that the seats mount on. I did look changing or lowering the drivers seat, but could not find an easy or safe solutions at the time. I think people offer them now . I'm 6'3, so my head was touching the roof with the seat in its lowest position.
Expensive is expensive. That car costs a lot of money. Just because some people can be flippant with theirs doesn't mean the numbers change value.
Flavio Manzoni continues giving interviews and answering the journalist's questions about the Purosangue. The answers reveal more details of how the "Purosangue mathematical equation" was achieved. The Purosangue It’s an SUV like no other and a Ferrari like any other M.Ż .: The Purosangue is a slightly different type of car than the previous Gran Turismo from the brand … FM: The Purosangue has a new type of body. Several versatile models from sports car manufacturers have already appeared on the market, some of them even have powerful engines. However, they all started their lives as SUVs, which the manufacturer raised to a certain level of performance. Our strategy to create Purosangue was exactly the opposite: we took a sporty Ferrari and developed it on the fronts of comfort and functionality. This is crucial to how this model looks, how it sits inside (like an agile GT) and how it performs on the road. M.Ż .: I find it interesting because the Purosangue is really new conceptually, but in terms of the design it clearly refers to other Ferrari models. The taillights look like they were taken out of the 296 GTB, and the diffuser below – taken from the Roma. The headlamp design is for me a quote from the SF90 Stradale. Usually your team reinvents the stylistic language with each new model, while the Purosangue looks like a bunch of existing Ferrari cars. I see a cunning logic in this, according to which you wanted to emphasize the fact that it is a fully-fledged product of this coveted brand with the help of the external appearance of this model. FM: I dare not agree. In my opinion, the design of the car is very original. Indeed, we do not have such a thing as “Ferrari styling language”. However, we do have a resource that I would call the “Ferrari Stylistic Lexicon”. So we repeat certain details or motifs that combine different models from our range. However, they serve the recognition of the brand itself, and do not work for the image of individual products. There are also many innovative design elements at Purosangue. The lines at the front that remind you of the lights on the SF90 Stradale, here are actually the air intakes leading to the engine and brake compartment. As the Purosangue is higher than our other models in the range, we decided to move the real lights lower. Here they are hidden in the front bumper grilles so that they are at the same height as in other Ferraris. This solution has benefited not only the aesthetics, but also the aerodynamics, which confirms the deep relationship between the design and engineering departments at Ferrari. M.Ż .: The Purosangue is indeed large, but still four people. Was the five-man model scenario considered? FM: We had a lot of such conversations and we opted for the four-man variant for two reasons. First of all – we wanted to remain consistent as a brand. This is a sporty Ferrari which means that whoever takes a seat inside, whether for the front or rear, should feel that they are traveling on a sporty Ferrari. This feeling can only be achieved in the rear if we use two individual seats, identical to those in the front. A three seater sofa would simply spoil this atmosphere. There is another reason, an engineering one: with a couch, the gearbox, which here is mounted on the rear axle in a transaxle arrangement, would not fit. M.Ż .: One of the most interesting stylistic solutions used in the Purosangue is the rear door opening opposite to the front one, in the so-called “upwind” arrangement. What was the motivation for applying this solution? FM: We had long talks about that as well. How does the Purosangue tackle the rear door theme to increase the spaciousness of the cabin and improve ease of getting into the rear seats while maintaining a compact wheelbase? We wanted to avoid long rear doors that would reduce the rigidity of the chassis and thus the dynamic properties of the entire structure. We were looking for something unprecedented and this is how we got to the effect that we can see today. Not only would a normal rear door look too common, but it would also spoil the panoramic effect that we get here by opening the front and rear doors on one side at the same time. Despite this, we have maintained a very high rigidity of the chassis: suffice it to say that it has 30 percent. greater resistance to torsion and 25 percent. bending properties than its counterpart on the two-door GTC4Lusso, and the new design is even lighter. M.Ż. The Purosangue is a logical next step for me after the GTC4Lusso, which was great but with a few compromises. One of them was the lack of a second pair of doors, and the other was the lack of any competences after leaving the asphalt, which may be a certain difficulty, for example, if you want to go skiing with such a car. Is Purosangue more versatile compared to it? For example, does it have some covers on the underside like SUVs? FM: The Purosangue has been designed to be used on asphalt roads and to achieve maximum driving excitement with high performance. You can drive it off the asphalt, but it will still be a sporty Ferrari. There is a ground clearance of 18.5 cm, there is four-wheel drive, as well as the four-wheel steering system, Hill Descent Control, extensive software that controls the traction of each wheel … But all of these solutions serve to control driving in a specific way. For example in heavy rainfall or even in deep snow. But not under conditions that would require a skid plate to be fitted. M.Ż .: And why can’t we find a towbar even on the list of options? FM: Purosangue has not been designed in a way that allows the installation of a towbar, if only for the reason that the fact that it was allowed to drive with a trailer would significantly reduce the driving characteristics that are to be characterized by a real Ferrari. Instead, we have designed many accessories that allow you to transport, for example, bikes or skis. M.Ż .: How long have your customers been asking you for a model of this type? FM: In fact, it’s been for many, many years. We tried to respond to these requests with our previous 2 + 2 models, which in turn met our performance expectations, but access to the rear seats was, however, difficult. In recent years, we have found new technologies for the production and composition of materials, and especially specific engineering solutions, such as a new type of active suspension capable of adjusting the lateral tilt, which allowed us to create a four-door, elevated Ferrari with dynamic competence most worthy of this badge. 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Is Mr GMK one of the lucky VIPs entitled to purchase the Purosangue? In the video below which is spoken in French he shows the steps of configuring and ordering the Purosangue but I didn't understand if he is entitled to buy one . For those who want to see the video and put subtitles in any other language that's a simple task, below is a link to a video explaining how to do it. I've never heard before of Mr GMK but I learned that he is a French influencer (living in Monaco) very well known and much appreciated all over France (and the entire French community). GMK’s real name is Georges Maroun Kikano : he is the heir to a wealthy Monegasque Lebanese family and his family has grown rich in the business linked to the Suez Canal.
Bit silly that we keep having to search through general chat for a current Ferrari model - a thoroughbred no less! Easier to get an allocation than find the thread….
In the video he said he doesn’t know if he’ll be selected by Ferrari to receive it but has made the deposit + configured his car.
Not uncommon though (eg, Patek, AP, Hermes, Chanel..) https://www.investopedia.com/terms/v/veblen-good.asp
Notice how the most successful non mass market brands in the world are (generally) private companies. Much better model for preserving exclusivity.
I also think it's insane but it's brilliant from a marketing perspective. My wife works for Van Cleef & Arpels and they do the same exact thing. They purposely have "limited" inventory and or items that are only offered to "special" clients to drive up demand. It's an extremely effective move for a luxury brand.
Ferrari is no longer a company that builds less then 5k cars a year. That ended long ago. They are now a mass production car company. The products they offer are no longer exclusive. This marketing ploy will run its course and folks just will not put up with it.
